yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

  • PzkM [he/him]
    1·
    4 years ago

    Are you sure that's what you don't want? I am certain I have seen people propose making the entire language neutral. This thread is about one word specifically, but the logical progression is clear.

    • gay [any]
      ·
      4 years ago

      Sí. La idea de que vamos a sacarles las terminaciones a todas las palabras y sustituirlas por x o e es una exageración. Si esa es la idea que se percibe, es un error de les que utilizan el lenguaje inclusivo. Tal vez mejor comunicación es necesaria.

      Pero te pido que escuches cuando una persona usa lenguaje inclusivo. Las palabras que cambia son solo aquellas que son esplícitamente masculinas y refieren a grupos de personas de más de un género o a una persona individual cuyo género es deconocido (o ni masculino ni femenino).

      El género gramatical es otra cosa. Querer quitarlo sería como querer quitar el número de las palabras: posible, pero tan difícil que arruinaría nuestra causa. Nos importa la inclusividad de todos los géneros, solo les humanes tienen género, solo las palabras que refieran a personas humanas deberán ser modificadas.

      Si hay un grupo de personas que de verdad son todos varones, el plural masculino queda intacto.

      Edit: Sé sincero... ¿es difícil entender lo que escribí? ¿Estoy arruinando el lenguaje? ¿Cómo? Si me entendiste perfectamente.

      • BenkB [he/him]
        ·
        4 years ago

        Nah completamente de acuerdo. Persona por ejemplo es femenino

        • gay [any]
          ·
          4 years ago

          Humanos is the masculine form. Humanas is the feminine form. I'm speaking about humanos and humanas. I should use humanes.

          You probably meant personas. That's because the word doesn't have a masculine form. The word doesn't change gramatical gender when refering to people of different genders.

            • gay [any]
              ·
              4 years ago

              Why? I'm confident in my language skills and have no problem explaining basic grammar. I have also given lenguaje inclusivo a lot of thought, I know how I deal with it. You said you were being honest, so no need to interpret that comment as a lazy gotcha.

                • gay [any]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  because people will call you irregulares

                  Which people.

                  Edit: What's funny is that you're closer to the only valid criticism against this type of gender inclusive language than with any of the other dumb shit you have said. The use of gender inclusive language is classist, it requires the person to know enough grammar to make the appropropriate changes to their speech. Why don't verbs change? How do I know that adverbs don't change? Why is "Todes somes iguales" wrong? Not everyone does, not even the majority. The only way to move forward is to understand the reason it's proposed, and adapt it to your abilities. I'm not gonna call an LGBT ally a transphobe just because they don't understand how LI works. As long as they're engaging in good faith.