(note: while WSWS (trot site) uses CCP instead of CPC, they generally have good takes on China and support China against US imperialism)

(note: to clarify, this article is in support of Zero-COVID and sees the lifting of the policy as a grave mistake)

(note: i do not necessarily support all the shit wsws says i am not a fucking trot)

  • JohnBrownsBussy [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I hope that they're willing to about-face and clamp down again when it quickly becomes clear that going off zero-covid will just make things worse.

    • DengXixian [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      So far, the CPC has made it very clear they are responding to the wishes of their people. They held onto zero-covid this long because of that, I trust them to implement this as well as they can and adapt as needed.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      What's China supposed to do? Zero COVID forever? The rest of the world fucked up their COVID responses so hard that it's now impossible for COVID to be eradicated. The CPC and the Chinese people have done their best and will continue to do their best to cope with the situation, but it's not reasonable to expect any country to enforce Zero COVID in perpetuity.

      • wopazoo [he/him]
        hexagon
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        edit-2
        2 years ago

        The rest of the world fucked up their COVID responses so hard that it’s now impossible for COVID to be eradicated.

        I argue with this notion. While I do not think that COVID can be eradicated right now (with the capitalist pro-COVID governments in the West), I find it a defeatist notion that COVID will be with us until the end of time. Smallpox was eradicated, polio was eradicated, etc... A COVID eradication effort would require efforts from all governments (China cannot do this alone and it is impossible to expect them to carry the whole world in this regard), but it would nevertheless still be possible.

        ie: While a national COVID eradication policy is not sustainable (ex: China's just-removed COVID policy), an international policy is very much possible and has precedent.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Might COVID be eradicated at some point in the future? Sure, I can be optimistic enough to believe that. But there's zero chance of COVID being eradicated in the foreseeable future because there's nothing that will compel the West to behave rationally and pursue an eradication policy.

          • wopazoo [he/him]
            hexagon
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            2 years ago

            But there’s zero chance of COVID being eradicated in the foreseeable future because there’s nothing that will compel the West to behave rationally and pursue an eradication policy.

            I do not contest this notion. The pro-COVID West really is trying to damn all of humanity.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              The problem is that it's not even a problem with Western governments, it's a problem at the grassroots level with Westerners just refusing to do simple things like wear masks. I hope that the first cracker tourist to walk around China without a mask after COVID gets the shit kicked out of him.

              • macabrett
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                2 years ago

                The thing is... a lot of people followed directions when western governments mandated things. They only stopped when the government stopped (Biden saying masks off if vaccinated July 4th 2021). Like yeah, western people are all individualism brain rotted, but the government is absolutely a huge part of the problem.

                • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Yes, both are problems. That said, I live somewhere where white people are maybe 1% of the population and the government is still very much mandating (but not enforcing) masks. Most of the unmasked people I see walking around are white Westerners, and of those unmasked white Westerners, the vast majority were men.

          • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            Might COVID be eradicated at some point in the future?

            No. 10-30% of the population is set to be weeded out of the gene pool (myself included)

      • Farman [any]
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        2 years ago

        Yes 0 covid forever. Jost because evryone else is suicidal you dont have to be.

      • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Zero COVID is working very well. No need to assume it's a huge cost.