• LamontCranston [any]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      and who would make up this dictatorship? too many people I have met are either too lazy or too authoritarian for the job

      • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Since we don't know you or them we can't really trust your assessment of their character or take the sample of people you have met as representative of the working class.

      • InternetLefty [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The working class would be the politically enfranchised class. Working people would have the power while capitalists would not, in short. The method of accomplishing this is widely discussed but the soviets did it with... soviets (workers councils). Working people would elect from themselves representatives to local/factory/village councils, who would then elect a representative from themselves to the regional council and then from them one to a national council. The structure of the government is meant to give power directly to working people at the level of the factory and the kolkhoz. Capitalists would be denied their usual tricks as they would be disenfranchised as much as structurally possible.

        • LamontCranston [any]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          Lenin sent in the military to break up worker councils.

          Working people would elect from themselves representatives to local/factory/village councils, who would then elect a representative from themselves to the regional council and then from them one to a national council.

          So we would not be directly electing people to these higher levels?

          • ssjmarx [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            If we do it the way the USSR did it and China does it, then no. But I personally don't think that their way of doing it is the best way to do it - yes your power should be based in grassroots democratic practice ie worker's councils, yes you should aim to have a whole-process people's democracy where every decision made by elected representatives is informed by constantly polling the masses, but "nesting" elections within other elections in this way I think makes the leadership of the government too stagnant. The system should be explicitly designed so that leaders can't "consolidate power", as Xi Jinping did at the last Party Congress.

                • LamontCranston [any]
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  term limits, part time, council instead of a single person, randomly selected rather than elected (we accept it for juries afterall) - there are plenty of alternatives for filling executive positions

              • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                edit-2
                2 years ago

                How are you going to get everyone to defend your new society without any coercion or leadership?

                • LamontCranston [any]
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  you're going to coerce people to defend your new society?

                  • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    If it's under threat? Absolutely.

                    And it will be under threat. The people you want to wrest control away from have already killed tens of millions of people. They will do literally anything to maintain and regain their power. The stakes are far too high to allow for people who don't feel like defending the new world.

          • InternetLefty [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Damn that's crazy! And sure we could - we could also recall them at any time with a national referendum. I think that the decision of when to initiate such an election/referendum should be left up to the soviets.