• star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Americans will acknowledge gerrymandering and paying off politicians by the rich are HUGE problems and in the same breath say we have the best most democratic system there ever was or will be.

  • old_goat [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Acktually this is the government the founding fathers wanted. Democratic gridlock ensures stability as only the popular will will of the donors shall be done.

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      2 years ago

      I mean this is literally true. Keeping the "mob" away from influencing politics except on the long term was a high priority for the drafters of the constitution. That why it fucking sucks and should be thrown into the dustbin of history

  • redthebaron [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    like maybe stop using a election system that is so eldritch that i have to roll for sanity every time i try to understand it

    • LamontCranston [any]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      and who would make up this dictatorship? too many people I have met are either too lazy or too authoritarian for the job

      • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Since we don't know you or them we can't really trust your assessment of their character or take the sample of people you have met as representative of the working class.

      • InternetLefty [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The working class would be the politically enfranchised class. Working people would have the power while capitalists would not, in short. The method of accomplishing this is widely discussed but the soviets did it with... soviets (workers councils). Working people would elect from themselves representatives to local/factory/village councils, who would then elect a representative from themselves to the regional council and then from them one to a national council. The structure of the government is meant to give power directly to working people at the level of the factory and the kolkhoz. Capitalists would be denied their usual tricks as they would be disenfranchised as much as structurally possible.

        • LamontCranston [any]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          Lenin sent in the military to break up worker councils.

          Working people would elect from themselves representatives to local/factory/village councils, who would then elect a representative from themselves to the regional council and then from them one to a national council.

          So we would not be directly electing people to these higher levels?

          • ssjmarx [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            If we do it the way the USSR did it and China does it, then no. But I personally don't think that their way of doing it is the best way to do it - yes your power should be based in grassroots democratic practice ie worker's councils, yes you should aim to have a whole-process people's democracy where every decision made by elected representatives is informed by constantly polling the masses, but "nesting" elections within other elections in this way I think makes the leadership of the government too stagnant. The system should be explicitly designed so that leaders can't "consolidate power", as Xi Jinping did at the last Party Congress.

                • LamontCranston [any]
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  term limits, part time, council instead of a single person, randomly selected rather than elected (we accept it for juries afterall) - there are plenty of alternatives for filling executive positions

              • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                How are you going to get everyone to defend your new society without any coercion or leadership?

                • LamontCranston [any]
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  you're going to coerce people to defend your new society?

          • InternetLefty [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Damn that's crazy! And sure we could - we could also recall them at any time with a national referendum. I think that the decision of when to initiate such an election/referendum should be left up to the soviets.

  • aFairlyLargeCat [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I remember reading something once about something growing from barrels of something or other.

    :mao-shining:

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    In terms of immediate remedies, a state supreme court seat is up for election in April, and if the Democrats win it it will knock off the reactionary majority and allow the Dems to challenge and overturn the gerrymandered map. I actually strongly urge any Wisconsinites here to take part in that election, it can single-handedly break the reactionary stranglehold on the state government.

    • LamontCranston [any]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      they always seem to find some way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory or delay and bloviate until the next term

  • MelaniaTrump [undecided]
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    2 years ago

    The best part is at the same time the Supreme Court is expanding state’s rights so illegitimate minority rule is in control of medical access like abortion

  • spectre [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It'll never happen, but I'd say the most "democratic" way to do it would be that legislatures are voted on by party rather than by an individual, and each party is allocated seats based on the proportion of the vote. Geographic representation is almost 50 years out of date now.

    • Beaver [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I think the Israeli Knesset is actually a really good example of how to very logically structure a government. The legislature is the supreme body which elects every other position, and votes are proportional and party-based. This kind of system produces a unified government which acts in harmony to advance the will of the voting citizens. In the case of Israel, it accurately reflects the voting citizen's desire for genocidal colonialism, and makes sure to strip voting rights from all the undesirables who might otherwise want to build a better society.