TFA is at least a coherent and consistent (if incredibly lazy) story
It was a muddled rehash of New Hope that only looked coherent because you could so easily map it onto the original.
After that, half the movie was references to content that was never actually released. Just a pile of allusions and asides to material left on the cutting room floor.
TLJ is so riddled with plot holes it falls apart under any amount of scrutiny. Also, it’s thematically inconsistent to the point that it doesn’t even know what it wants to say
Without a doubt. It was, at best, half of a good movie. And even then it was a collage of scenes that - individually - could be cool but together left a lot to be desired.
But they still did have individual good scenes at a frequency higher than TFA. Also, they had the thing that they promised: The Last Jedi. Whereas TFA did not have anything that might resemble any kind of Force doing any awakening.
Also you can hardly fault TFA for setting up expectations
They don't set expectations. They flagrantly litter scenes with references - "You probably didn't recognize me because of the red arm" - that were very obviously supposed to be periferal content independent of the movies themselves. That's obnoxious in and of itself. But then this content isn't released in any kind of timely manner. So you just feel like you're watching an ad for some other shit that nobody is actually selling.
the sequel deliberately threw in the trash
TFA threw the entire original series in the trash. Three movies about defeating the Evil Empire and TFA opens with a fractured Rebellion, a system spanning Empire, and a Death Star Plus.
All you fuckers had to do was option the Timothy Zhan novels. Instead, we got this shit.
They did set expectations though, planting questions in the mind of the audience: who is Snoke, who is Rey exactly, etc. And then the sequel answered them with "nobody lol fuck you"
But I definitely misinterpreted your complaint, and when stated that way I definitely agree as well
All you fuckers had to do was option the Timothy Zhan novels. Instead, we got this shit.
The fact that they chose to instead throw Thrawn into Rebels and had Timothy Zhan write a new Thrawn trilogy into there shitty new era instead never fails to fill me with unending rage. :monke-rage:
I didn't mind that TFA proved they could physically construct a Star Wars movie.
But then they needed TLJ to set the series going in a much, much different direction, and it did! But it ended before it actually went anywhere. And it was clumsy and awkward, but at least it made me excited for the final movie.
Then
Then they said fuck all that, we're doing Another Star War. Erased everything. a fleet of 1000 death stars! Palpatine was her fucking GRANDPA. Useless. JJ Abrams not only ruined his own movie, he ruined the previous movie. And his other competent but totally unoriginal movie.
One reason why I think the Prestige TV format is just way better for any kind of Extended Universe franchise.
For the content hungry lore heads, you don't want five minutes of Luke Skywalker whining about the uselessness of his order's oldest manuscripts. You want a season's worth of Clone Wars animated shorts, where different Jedis' beliefs are challenges and reflected across his peers, before a big climax conclusion.
Then they said fuck all that, we’re doing Another Star War. Erased everything. a fleet of 1000 death stars! Palpatine was her fucking GRANDPA.
Yeah, that last movie really was awful on every conceivable level. Just one last steaming coil of turd on top of their mountain of crap.
It was a muddled rehash of New Hope that only looked coherent because you could so easily map it onto the original.
After that, half the movie was references to content that was never actually released. Just a pile of allusions and asides to material left on the cutting room floor.
Without a doubt. It was, at best, half of a good movie. And even then it was a collage of scenes that - individually - could be cool but together left a lot to be desired.
But they still did have individual good scenes at a frequency higher than TFA. Also, they had the thing that they promised: The Last Jedi. Whereas TFA did not have anything that might resemble any kind of Force doing any awakening.
Yes they had the last Jedi dying except he's also not the last Jedi because Rey took the sacred Jedi books to keep it going
Also you can hardly fault TFA for setting up expectations that the sequel deliberately threw in the trash for no good reason. Both terrible movies.
They don't set expectations. They flagrantly litter scenes with references - "You probably didn't recognize me because of the red arm" - that were very obviously supposed to be periferal content independent of the movies themselves. That's obnoxious in and of itself. But then this content isn't released in any kind of timely manner. So you just feel like you're watching an ad for some other shit that nobody is actually selling.
TFA threw the entire original series in the trash. Three movies about defeating the Evil Empire and TFA opens with a fractured Rebellion, a system spanning Empire, and a Death Star Plus.
All you fuckers had to do was option the Timothy Zhan novels. Instead, we got this shit.
They did set expectations though, planting questions in the mind of the audience: who is Snoke, who is Rey exactly, etc. And then the sequel answered them with "nobody lol fuck you"
But I definitely misinterpreted your complaint, and when stated that way I definitely agree as well
The fact that they chose to instead throw Thrawn into Rebels and had Timothy Zhan write a new Thrawn trilogy into there shitty new era instead never fails to fill me with unending rage. :monke-rage:
I didn't mind that TFA proved they could physically construct a Star Wars movie.
But then they needed TLJ to set the series going in a much, much different direction, and it did! But it ended before it actually went anywhere. And it was clumsy and awkward, but at least it made me excited for the final movie.
Then
Then they said fuck all that, we're doing Another Star War. Erased everything. a fleet of 1000 death stars! Palpatine was her fucking GRANDPA. Useless. JJ Abrams not only ruined his own movie, he ruined the previous movie. And his other competent but totally unoriginal movie.
One reason why I think the Prestige TV format is just way better for any kind of Extended Universe franchise.
For the content hungry lore heads, you don't want five minutes of Luke Skywalker whining about the uselessness of his order's oldest manuscripts. You want a season's worth of Clone Wars animated shorts, where different Jedis' beliefs are challenges and reflected across his peers, before a big climax conclusion.
Yeah, that last movie really was awful on every conceivable level. Just one last steaming coil of turd on top of their mountain of crap.