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I don't think i've seen anything made after the end of the cold war that is this brutally honest about the need for violence to stop fascism / imperialism, and which sacrifices that violence entails. The people who make this clearly know that "every revolutionary is, first and foremost, a doomed man" and that this doesn't detract from how needed, justified and righteous their cause is at all.
Compare that with tepid liberal ideology of The Last Jedi, were the "Rebels" care about nothing but running away because they "need to survive to inspire people".
Of the three sequels, it was the best. The screenplay, the cinematography, the acting, all of it.
But low bar is low.
No, it was inferior to Force Awakens because TFA is at least a coherent and consistent (if incredibly lazy) story, whereas TLJ is so riddled with plot holes it falls apart under any amount of scrutiny. Also, it's thematically inconsistent to the point that it doesn't even know what it wants to say. It violates basic principles of conventional screenwriting by throwing away everything the plot had set up within the film itself. It shows characters immediately violating the moral they just tried to establish. It's a mess.
TFA is at least a coherent and consistent (if incredibly lazy) story
It was a muddled rehash of New Hope that only looked coherent because you could so easily map it onto the original.
After that, half the movie was references to content that was never actually released. Just a pile of allusions and asides to material left on the cutting room floor.
TLJ is so riddled with plot holes it falls apart under any amount of scrutiny. Also, it’s thematically inconsistent to the point that it doesn’t even know what it wants to say
Without a doubt. It was, at best, half of a good movie. And even then it was a collage of scenes that - individually - could be cool but together left a lot to be desired.
But they still did have individual good scenes at a frequency higher than TFA. Also, they had the thing that they promised: The Last Jedi. Whereas TFA did not have anything that might resemble any kind of Force doing any awakening.
Yes they had the last Jedi dying except he's also not the last Jedi because Rey took the sacred Jedi books to keep it going
Also you can hardly fault TFA for setting up expectations that the sequel deliberately threw in the trash for no good reason. Both terrible movies.
Also you can hardly fault TFA for setting up expectations
They don't set expectations. They flagrantly litter scenes with references - "You probably didn't recognize me because of the red arm" - that were very obviously supposed to be periferal content independent of the movies themselves. That's obnoxious in and of itself. But then this content isn't released in any kind of timely manner. So you just feel like you're watching an ad for some other shit that nobody is actually selling.
the sequel deliberately threw in the trash
TFA threw the entire original series in the trash. Three movies about defeating the Evil Empire and TFA opens with a fractured Rebellion, a system spanning Empire, and a Death Star Plus.
All you fuckers had to do was option the Timothy Zhan novels. Instead, we got this shit.
They did set expectations though, planting questions in the mind of the audience: who is Snoke, who is Rey exactly, etc. And then the sequel answered them with "nobody lol fuck you"
But I definitely misinterpreted your complaint, and when stated that way I definitely agree as well
All you fuckers had to do was option the Timothy Zhan novels. Instead, we got this shit.
The fact that they chose to instead throw Thrawn into Rebels and had Timothy Zhan write a new Thrawn trilogy into there shitty new era instead never fails to fill me with unending rage. :monke-rage:
I didn't mind that TFA proved they could physically construct a Star Wars movie.
But then they needed TLJ to set the series going in a much, much different direction, and it did! But it ended before it actually went anywhere. And it was clumsy and awkward, but at least it made me excited for the final movie.
Then
Then they said fuck all that, we're doing Another Star War. Erased everything. a fleet of 1000 death stars! Palpatine was her fucking GRANDPA. Useless. JJ Abrams not only ruined his own movie, he ruined the previous movie. And his other competent but totally unoriginal movie.
But it ended before it actually went anywhere.
One reason why I think the Prestige TV format is just way better for any kind of Extended Universe franchise.
For the content hungry lore heads, you don't want five minutes of Luke Skywalker whining about the uselessness of his order's oldest manuscripts. You want a season's worth of Clone Wars animated shorts, where different Jedis' beliefs are challenges and reflected across his peers, before a big climax conclusion.
Then they said fuck all that, we’re doing Another Star War. Erased everything. a fleet of 1000 death stars! Palpatine was her fucking GRANDPA.
Yeah, that last movie really was awful on every conceivable level. Just one last steaming coil of turd on top of their mountain of crap.
Refreshing when so many Trek episodes of TNG and DS9 revolve (even though I still love then) around how something unethical or violent needs to be done for the greater good and Picard or Sisko refuse because that would be "wrong" (with a notable exception for Sisko in In the Pale Moonlight, but even then he doesn't really believe he can live with it).
Star Trek is fundamentally different because it's a utopian vision of what could be after the revolution is won. One of the core messages of Star Trek is that if we improve ourselves and hold humanity to a higher standard, we won't have to keep choosing between doing the right thing and the greater good.
I would also argue that Sisko's pragmatism isn't confied to In the Pale Moonlight. He's still an idealistic starfleet captain living in the same post revolutionary Utopia as all the others. But his dealings with the Maquis and the way he trusts Odo and the others to skirt the rules in DS9 show that he's not up his own ass. His personality is of a no nonsense commander rather than Picard's learned diplomat. He was closest to a non utopic civilization than any officer in the federation.
I've literally only seen the original trilogy and rogue one, so I'm probably missing references and context and Andor still fuckin slaps. I wanna read Nemiks manifesto so bad
The A More Civilized Age podcast did some great coverage on Andor. On their episode for Andor 12 one of the hosts (who is Marxist) recommended some reading that he felt was similar to/maybe inspired Nemik's writing: The Coming Insurrection and We Are Everywhere.
Lfg! I hadn't seen episode 12 yet when I wrote that so that lil bit we got was very nice
There aren't really any references other than like the fact that some of the characters show up in Rogue One which takes place after the series. They specifically wanted to avoid all the easter eggs and fan service that the other shows rely on and it's better for it.
Any show that portrays throwing pipe bombs at cops as morally right has good politics
Huh....I think I just found out why reactionaries are complaining about it
Crazy how many times reactionaries will say they hate the government and love guns, liberty, whatever. But then you show them a video of a group of locals in open rebellion and suddenly they're so upset about it.
Maybe if the funeral had involved a few flat bed trucks with big flags on them...
I cried all the way through that scene. Granted, i just had put on the estradiole gel before that and it had been a rough day, so i may have been a tiny bit emo, but damn did that feel cathartic.
I got the same revolutionary energy vibe from the Snowpiercer TV series. Leftist Glup Shitto shows and Korean-based movie-to-series adaptations will be the only series allowed after the revolution
Was the Snowpiercer show good? I feel like I remember hearing that it was copaganda when it came out, but I might be mixing it up with the Watchmen sequel show.
not copaganda unless you count the main character being a detective as his backstory. i've seen people call Disco Elysium copaganda because of that
I legit predicted this when ep 11 set up the funeral. I was going off to my friends about various IRA funerals.
