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  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I cannot imagine how they managed to sneak Andor's themes past the libs in charge. Luthan may as well have a large sign on his head saying "I am Space Lenin, this is how you organise a vanguard from competing groups. There will be a test."

    The real problem is that despite everyone else being anarchists and socialists by ANH Mon Mothma has to be the only one left. Liberalism is baked in as winning.

        • Shoegazer [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          True, but it feels more like they're selling us rope made of string cheese because they know it won't radicalize anyone except liberals to support imperialism

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Mon Mothma is the good one aristocrat and it's Her Turn. :hillary-contempt:

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        The Old Lady's death speech that triggers the riot is based on Gramsci. Nemik directly quotes Brecht. Luthan is a composite of Blanqui, Lenin, and surprisingly directly references Zizeck whe he talks of burning his decency.

        The imperial talks about managing the native population is taken from British colonial documentation.

        I'm not saying the writers are Marxists, but someone's been reading actual theory.

      • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Which is why they tried to re-establish a galactic senate, and why it almost immediately collapses back into fascism again. They keep trying it.

        They hate the empire. They love creating the foundation for the empire and then descending into autocracy over and over

          • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Even if they killed every last member of the empire and the first order, the new Liberal government would just collapse into fascism again under its own contradictions. Until they create a federation and use their ample tech to actually reach post-scarcity communism it will keep happening because the galaxy is filled with slaver cartels, mafia rings, siths & corporations that own planets.

            The technology and economy of the Star Wars universe makes no sense. They have light speed travel that’s cheap/free, there’s basically no limits on fuel (Last Jedi is not canon IMO, fuel limitations were never mentioned until then), they have droids capable of anything & for some reason they are still just sitting around “moisture farming” on desert planets when there are uninhabited or sparsely populated worlds with temperate climates that are untapped.

            • EvenHasAWatermark [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Last Jedi is not canon IMO, fuel limitations were never mentioned until then

              They absolutely were lol. Pay attention.

        • Cromalin [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          well part of that is them working backwards. jj abrams decided there needed to be an empire 2 in his big star wars movie because straying from the original trilogy is the devil, so that meant the leaders must have been massive libs to allow it

          • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            He decided that because he, and all the other writers, think Liberalism is the end of history and can’t escape the loop of liberalism->fascism->liberalism

            • Cromalin [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              yeah, i'm just saying that wasn't necessarily baked into the original trilogy