i had a DM boot me from a campaign for 'being manipulative' and 'murder hoboing' after i kept killing blatantly racist nazi characters that our multicultural nation was fighting to survive genocide against. said that i didnt ever give the DM time to roleplay things (because i would gat the nazis in the head with a critfish build). maybe make less cartoonishly evil characters? why would i ever talk to a guy that kills babies
i also unknowingly joined a campaign where the dm admitted that all the goblins the players were killing were jews after i pressed him on his monologue about goblin bankers
said that i didnt ever give the DM time to roleplay things (because i would gat the nazis in the head with a critfish build). maybe make less cartoonishly evil characters? why would i ever talk to a guy that kills babies
Or if you have cartoonishly evil characters they need to be in an environment where the player can not get away with killing them. There's a reason all the nobility live in a walled quarter of the city with its own defences.
tbf we did a guerilla raid on the walled quarter and created an inferno centered on the guy's mansion after slaughtering a veritable army of nazi minions (which were overleveled, but we persevered through hit and run tactics, lmao)
I read a criticism of 'come and see' that I'd never considered, that it was quite liberal. They pointed out how (in the movie) the partisans struggled internally with flat out killing the nazis, and how Flyora while shooting at a picture (hallucination?) of Hitler kept seeing him get younger and younger until he was staring at Baby Hitler and he couldn't pull the trigger.
The poster was saying that it's okay to just flat out kill literal nazis and it shouldn't be causing any internal struggle as they're literally wiping you out, and picturing Hitler as a baby is stupid as you can't time travel and he's not a baby while he's conducting a genocide.
With that first paragraph, at least, I get where they're coming from but I feel like it's likely that they've never actually killed somebody. Yes, it's morally acceptable and good to kill Nazis, and also taking a life is a thing that sticks with you in ways you don't expect (from what I've heard; I've never killed anybody either). I just feel like that's a weird thing to criticize the film for. I really doubt anybody goes away from Come And See believing that killing Nazis is wrong or bad, just that war is hell.
I could be totally off-base here; I haven't see the film in a long time. But that criticism just strikes me as not really warranted
There was a fair bit to the guy's post; he also talked about the director of which I don't think he was a giant fan of, but he got a little into Soviet film history and I don't really know much about Soviet film history (or the USSR in general) so I slightly zoned out after a number of posts (the heck is perestroika?), but I managed to find his thread:
i had a DM boot me from a campaign for 'being manipulative' and 'murder hoboing' after i kept killing blatantly racist nazi characters that our multicultural nation was fighting to survive genocide against. said that i didnt ever give the DM time to roleplay things (because i would gat the nazis in the head with a critfish build). maybe make less cartoonishly evil characters? why would i ever talk to a guy that kills babies
i also unknowingly joined a campaign where the dm admitted that all the goblins the players were killing were jews after i pressed him on his monologue about goblin bankers
Harry Potter, not even once.
Or if you have cartoonishly evil characters they need to be in an environment where the player can not get away with killing them. There's a reason all the nobility live in a walled quarter of the city with its own defences.
tbf we did a guerilla raid on the walled quarter and created an inferno centered on the guy's mansion after slaughtering a veritable army of nazi minions (which were overleveled, but we persevered through hit and run tactics, lmao)
we were just too cool for the dm i guess
I read a criticism of 'come and see' that I'd never considered, that it was quite liberal. They pointed out how (in the movie) the partisans struggled internally with flat out killing the nazis, and how Flyora while shooting at a picture (hallucination?) of Hitler kept seeing him get younger and younger until he was staring at Baby Hitler and he couldn't pull the trigger.
The poster was saying that it's okay to just flat out kill literal nazis and it shouldn't be causing any internal struggle as they're literally wiping you out, and picturing Hitler as a baby is stupid as you can't time travel and he's not a baby while he's conducting a genocide.
With that first paragraph, at least, I get where they're coming from but I feel like it's likely that they've never actually killed somebody. Yes, it's morally acceptable and good to kill Nazis, and also taking a life is a thing that sticks with you in ways you don't expect (from what I've heard; I've never killed anybody either). I just feel like that's a weird thing to criticize the film for. I really doubt anybody goes away from Come And See believing that killing Nazis is wrong or bad, just that war is hell.
I could be totally off-base here; I haven't see the film in a long time. But that criticism just strikes me as not really warranted
There was a fair bit to the guy's post; he also talked about the director of which I don't think he was a giant fan of, but he got a little into Soviet film history and I don't really know much about Soviet film history (or the USSR in general) so I slightly zoned out after a number of posts (the heck is perestroika?), but I managed to find his thread:
https://twitter.com/IskoLat/status/1781403799631847501
That's Gorbachev's bullshit.