God fucking dammit, this is why its so hard to argue with libs! THEY DON'T KNOW SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Won't stop them from being condescending the whole time:shrug-outta-hecks:
how are they brainwashed so hard by history they barely fucking know? They somehow can't believe that anything they think could ever be wrong, because they learned it in high school or some shit.
Liberalism is ahistorical. They brainwashed because they never knew the history to begin with. They only learn propaganda in the first place
Don't give liberals the benefit of the doubt, they willingly believe this propaganda. If it were false, it would mean that the right thing to do is to show humility for once in their lives. They're not going to do THAT.
Pop culture. They just pick up a general vibe from what other people say and they don't learn anything themselves. Maybe they hear some soundbites somewhere and proceed to misremember them.
there are people who get through college and three decade careers doing this, never learning anything
Hell I went through college and actively got worse for it, folding back in on myself with a bad rationalization of cognitive dissonance that actively formed a shield against learning and becoming better. To be completely honest, if that hadn't been shredded along with all the other bullshit I'd built up as a bulwark of repression when I finally accepted I was trans, I probably never would have snapped out of it.
Even in that state, learning things that contradicted the built up schema was like touching a raw wound. Like I'm not trying to be poetic here, that is literally what it felt like, it was a physical pain. It took years of slowly learning more and more while existing in a status quo that was actively hostile to my very existence just to bring me around to being a naive sucdem, and years more of reading and talking and processing things to bring me to where I am now.
America will be doubling down on its genocide when the going gets tough. We need more people to take active action against US imperialism and power, this may not stop the oncoming storm, but it will at least curb their influence.
And it has to be Americans who protect the world from America. Expecting any other country to stop the most aggressive imperial nation on the planet would just be asinine.
I think South Park contributed a lot to spreading and normalizing casual antisemitism. After that it was 4chan that served to help distill and repropagate it "ironically" until the repetition set in and it became a genuine reflex for them, and that general sphere has formed the vanguard of online reaction for a long time.
4chan should have been shut down and the fact it continues to not be shut down despite mass shootings and fascist growth being completely attributable to it says a lot.
More effort goes into stopping piracy sites than stopping fascism and mass murder.
Absolutely true, in the social circles of my younger siblings who were in high school at the peak of South Park, "jewish" became an insult. 90+% of the people using it wouldn't believe it was antisemitic to do so.
I would like to see how these figures stack up against their ability to answer other 20th-century general-knowledge questions, like "who was President in 1955" or "what country is South Vietnam currently a part of".
damn id suck at president questions. id just say 'eh some evil ass cracker'
id probably be better at guessing their policy choices if you told me the year
A. Imperialism
B. Imperialism
C. Imperialism
D. All of the above
nope and yours will be forgotten too, just like us useless proles :owl-wink:
“what country is South Vietnam currently a part of”
"its part of the CCP, sweaty tankie"
Eisenhower I think? And Vietnam. 🇻🇳
Gonna check my answers.
Edit: I was right
“what country is South Vietnam currently a part of”.
One time I was talking to my mom about how people just straight up didn't know the last 50 years of history and to prove it I asked her what the largest city in south Vietnam is and I had to pull up a map to prove to her there is no "Saigon."
:uncle-ho-2:
Sorry, but when you equate antisemitism with opposition to the apartheid state of Israel, this is what you get. Yes, the neo-Nazis and crypto-fash are responsible for this, so is a shit education system and general apathy, but when saying "actually, no, Isreal should stop kicking Palestinians out of their homes" is called antisemitism, the word starts to lose its meaning.
The irony of course is that Israel has a border wall, extremely strict immigration policy, and those few allowed to immigrate have to prove their ethnicity. It's an alt-right heaven.
The aware fash wishes their countries were more like israel. They just also want to.. ya know
Sorry, but when you equate antisemitism with opposition to the apartheid state of Israel, this is what you get
While I'm sure that may account for some small portion of the misinformation/denialism, I doubt it's that much of an impact. Like do you really expect that the average person has a nuanced understanding of Israel/Palestine? No way. Many of the people interviewed probably don't even know that the conflict is about land control or based around religion.
I think people know that "antisemitism" has become a political cudgel, and most people are so alienated from and apathetic to politics they've begun to tune it out.
Yeah that's probably true, maybe especially the UK's political/media class VS pro-Palestine Labour. Meanwhile actual anti-semitism is ignored.
First of all, I was specifically calling out the apathy to the term "antisemitism", nothing to do with the holocaust.
Second of all, these false accusations of antisemitism levied against anyone who says boo about Isreal aren't mainly coming from Israelis. This is only tangentially about Isreal, and more about the Bari Weisses of the world saying anyone who disagrees with them is an antisemite. If you want to get mad at me for calling it out, so be it.
Everyone I know is terminally online, so you're probably right. I just know that whenever I hear "antisemitism" now, I have to do a deep dive on who is saying it to whom and why.
This is very sad, kinda crazy that only 46% of the population even knows what auschwitz is, and 1/4 people think the holocaust is some conspiracy theory or something.
I will say this, we need to figure out how to teach about these atrocities better. My SO was never taught about slavery except in passing, my SO was never ever taught about the trail of tears and the native genocide. She was taught about the holocaust, but that actually pissed her off at the time because she thought "why do I have to learn about these people in Germany when my people were systematically enslaved and killed". And that's fair, but this contributes to interracial strife, which may be the point.
Thankfully I had a good history teacher in school who basically spent half the year on slavery and shows us pictures of the extreme brutality and taught us about the lies that the US government sold to black Americans about reparations after slavery. She also taught us about the trail of tears and the systematic genocide of indigenous Americans.
Without learning about this stuff, it sets children on a path towards reaction, and directly contributes to the above image.
we need to figure out how to teach about these atrocities better
We really, really do. Unfortunately the trend right now is to declare that anything that mentions America being bad as "critical race theory" and ban it from schools.
Yeah, ultimately it's not that we don't know how to teach it, its just omitted from the curriculum for nationalistic reasons.
idk why it says 2020 at the bottom, the study listed on their site was conducted in 2018
I always have a really hard time believing this kind of stuff. It rarely tracks with my personal experience with people, and I've participated in enough shoddy polls and surveys to have an inherent distrust of anything that makes strong claims like this. It takes a strong understanding of statistical principles to construct studies in ways that don't skew data, and even more so to draw accurate conclusions from data.
I'd more willingly believe 6 out of 10 pollsters don't know what a p value is and 90% of think tanks refuse to sample more than 20 people in their 'studies'
74 million Americans voted for Trump. I have no problem believing this.
That's not a great indicator really. There were two candidates, if you're voting as a rightwinger you're gonna vote for the rightwing party. And every single Trump supporter I've talked to about history knows what the Holocaust is.
Just that there wasn't a wide array of candidates whose votes hinged upon knowing what the Holocaust is; there was a choice between Red rapist and Blue rapist. So a large number of people who did vote likely voted along their party lines or the cultural political group they identify with (or against the group they identify not with), rather than because they strongly supported the specific candidate. We can't really draw strong, specific conclusions about the Holocaust knowledge of any candidates' voter base because other variables influencing the vote choice are orders of magnitude more influential on the outcome.
Especially when you're conducting stuff like this, I don't know how you weed out trolls
Even the Wiki now admits that about 300 people died, almost none of them were students, no one died in the Square, and most of the people who died were either PLA soldiers or rioters who were attacking the PLA with stick and molotovs.
The actual, unironic, genuine mainstream opinion in the US is that 10,000 people were gunned down, run over by tanks, and hosed down storm drains in Tienanmen Square before any pictures could be taken. Wikileaks basically corroborated the official Chinese recounting of events.
Man, you think that is bad, I'll bet even more people don't know that the Holocaust killed 12 million people total.
Or that anywhere from 30 - 60 million Russians died in WWII doing the real work of cleaning the Nazis out of Europe
"the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany"
:lolwut:
Pretty sure it means reparations for the holocaust from German organizations
Link: https://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/
Example of questions asked and results for California
Survey size "200 interviews in each state with adults ages 18 to 39 via landline, cell phone and online interviews."
