• iridaniotter [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    No, Nice is far enough away from Paris that you can still take a plane there.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Now ban private ones too. I assume this only applies to business and not to private jet owners right?

  • Tommasi [she/her, pup/pup's]
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    2 years ago

    Cool that the european commission "approved" this but maybe it shouldn't be up to an unelected, supranational org to decide things like this

    :thonk:

    • YuriMihalkov [comrade/them,any]
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      2 years ago

      I totally get where you're coming from but to be pedantic, the problem with the EU isn't that it's unelected or supranational, but instead that it's a liberal bourgeois institution. As communists we shouldn't have any respect for liberal nation states or "democracy" which is usually how we see these anti-EU arguments get presented by right wing populists.

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Unelected is a problem. Institutions need to be accountable to the people their decisions effect. It's why we're so adamant on Soviets. The economy needs to be controlled by the people who make it up.

      • Tommasi [she/her, pup/pup's]
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        2 years ago

        I can agree with that. The EU isn't any more or less legitimate than liberal states. But it's still a uniquely massive obstacle for change in europe.

        I can look at my small country of 5 mil people and think it's not that unrealistic that a movement to legitimately change things could be built during my lifetime. Then I think about how powerful and oppressive the EU is and change just seems impossible. The tiniest move leftwards is now guaranteed to put you in direct conflict with an incredibly rich and well-organized capitalist cartel because any economic policy that's not neoliberalism is functionally illegal. Don't get me wrong, EU's main function is to promote the interests of European capitalists at the expense of the rest of the world, but it has another important function of adding an extra layer of protection for capitalist against their own populace.

        If stuff like this flight ban happens in less influental countries than France there's a good chance it just gets vetoe'd for interfering in the free market or whatever other bullshit excuse.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      edit-2
      2 years ago

      My ecostalinism says "shut up"

      • Tommasi [she/her, pup/pup's]
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        2 years ago

        I mean, France had already decided on the ban, they just had to wait for the EU to give them "permission" to do it, I don't see how that delay helps fight climate change. Especially since they might not even give that permission to less powerful countries

        • RNAi [he/him]
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          Aah sorry I got it wrong, thought they were whining about the EU forcing France to do something

      • spectre [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        At that distance high speed rail should be fast and efficient enough to compete with air travel, but idk the geography along the way which can make a difference

          • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            I assumed flights are more expensive but I guess they’re really cheap

            this sounds like a policy failure somewhere. hopefully the new train-only rules don't cut the poors out.

            • spectre [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Fuel subsidy, failure to tax environmental impact and other externalities into the cost etc

        • YuriMihalkov [comrade/them,any]
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          2 years ago

          It already does compete with air travel handily on plenty of these routes, but there are some really super cheap flights around the EU and HSR is still basically run like a profit driven business that has to recoup its significant capital costs (building the system). Flying can often be cheaper even if the time you take to travel is roughly the same or even comes out in favor of the train.

        • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Absolutely but a many decades ago, before high speed rail had its current speeds, the air network probably came about

        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          At that distance at least the flight would be marginally faster (when you account for all the hassle it takes to take a flight). What's funny is this law applies to shorter flights that are genuinely slower than high speed rail, if you're going city center to city center.

      • President_Obama [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I've driven to the south of France before, and didn't even think of the possibility of taking a plane. :shrug-outta-hecks: just me IG

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      There's some hilariously short flights, like Paris to Nantes, in case you're too impatient for a 2 hour train ride.

  • Civility [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    It’s official: France bans

    :scared:

    short haul domestic flights

    😶

    in favour of train travel

    :CommiePOGGERS:

  • UlyssesT
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    6 days ago

    deleted by creator

  • Deadend [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Do this in infra-California with a start date of 2030 and watch how fast the hyperloop appears.