Not in a great spot. My material needs are met, so don't worry about that. Just want to break out of the cycle I'm in of "oh hey, you have only a few hundred from this paycheck before you're negative again."

  • MerryChristmas [any]
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    2 years ago

    I absolutely understand why this wouldn't be an "agree to disagree" sort of thing for you, but I'm not having this argument right now. I'll read and consider the links you shared, though.

      • MerryChristmas [any]
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        2 years ago

        If I saw someone's actions as tantamount to genocide then I wouldn't simply agree to disagree. That's what I understand and that's why I'm not asking her to hear me out.

        • Maaskarpone [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Not good enough. You clearly don't view the animal holocaust as genocide. You don't have the right to simply disengage when the facts don't suit your material interests. Your actions have real-life harmful consequences on the lived experience of subjective, animal people.

          Three questions:

          1. How do you define sentience?
          2. What is the base value of humans?
          3. What do you call systemic killing?

          I'll give you the answers now to save time:

          1. capability of feeling
          2. capability of feeling. Therefore, you should extend the base value of humans to other animals, who are also capable of feeling.
          3. genocide
            • Maaskarpone [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              I did say:

              You don’t have the right to simply disengage when the facts don’t suit your material interests.

              So... ...engaaage and stop ignoring / avoiding the issue vegans raise?

              • MerryChristmas [any]
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                2 years ago

                You're right, you did say that.

                I've already said that I'm going to read the articles that were suggested to me and consider whether they support the idea that breeding pet shrimp is a form of genocide. I don't know what else you expect to get out of this interaction.

            • Maaskarpone [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              The insult doesn't bother me. I had to actually google that term because I didn't know what it meant, and I'm actually quite impressed I gave the impression of a philosopher, as much as I find them as a general rule of thumb revolting people.

              Your insult does beg the question, though: Are values unimportant to you? I focus a lot on values in the points I make. I value human life, for example, and that's why I became anticapitalist. My value for them means I believe shelter should be a human right, and therefore I'm against capitalist private property, like landlordism, for example.

              • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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                2 years ago

                Don't worry, you didn't give the impression of a philosopher.

                And values are ethics, not ontology. Both metaphysics, but not the same. Ontology is the study of "being" and of the attributes that make a "thing" that particular thing.