It's ultimately treating animals as property to be done with as the human sees fit with no regard for the animal's desire to live
Sure, this is more mask off in that regard, but it's still the same core issue. All animals deserve to live whether they were brought into the world to be used for the clothing industry, factory farming, or a pet
This is pretty into the weeds, the vast majority of people could stand to at least attempt vegetarian diets rather than meat for every meal which is where the original commenter's point on "industrial torture industry" comes from
If everyone who is able to do so were doing so, the fraction of a fraction of the population who was unable to for whatever reason would not result in the torture factories present today
You're a regular poster and I know this is good faith, but it's using niche situations to cover for regular, widespread atrocities
I'm not nitpicking, but I did say at least attempt a vegetarian diet which would address the crux of the original comment regarding widespread animal torture which never explicitly even mentions veganism
It's not as though there is going to be some sweeping legislation to outlaw meat and kill meat eaters which is akin to examples you're making here wrt COVID or trans people. If 70% of the population made a conscious effort to stop eating meat that would be a tremendous benefit for their health, the welfare of animals, and the climate. And as a bonus, they'd save money doing it
I'll be honest, I don't know if I've ever seen a post like that made in sincerity and it's not what I'm advocating for
I don't deny a subset of the population may have legitimate dietary constraints, but their existence doesn't excuse the vast majority who do not. I have seen those who do not use the existence of those people as a shield for their own spinelessness in refusing to cut meat from their diet for purely selfish reasons
And this is coming from an autistic person who cannot stand the texture of beans even today and would sit at the table for hours as a kid refusing to eat vegetables I did not like. If it's important enough, adjusting your diet is an accomplishable task. It's clear that some posters here do not feel the unnecessary suffering of animals is important enough for them to make a relatively simple lifestyle change and it's disturbing
This type of “what about if I had a disease that would kill me if I didn’t eat meat” concern trolling is intended to distract from the underlying issue of mass slaughter. The actual justification that this kind of industrial-scale suffering is acceptable because the food tastes good annd non-human animals don’t matter isn’t as clean an image as disability-rights advocate.
Yeah think I'm going to tap out of my second experience in this specific topic struggle sesh. It's so tiring seeing people who know better advocating pointless cruelty when they'll criticize libs and chuds for the exact same thought patterns
Sure, educate me, but don’t pretend that every Reddit-tier anti-vegan is arguing from a sincere concern for these people. I know that there are certain conditions that make going vegan very difficult. However this is a systemic failure to provide alternative sources of protein and nutrients.
Killing billions of sentient beings every year is bad. And if you want to argue otherwise, I don’t see why it would then be unethical to kill and eat a dog. And from the animal’s point of view, your reasons for killing them don’t matter.
Every time someone cites a medical condition, I’ve been able to explain that it doesn’t absolutely require eating meat. It’s harder, but it’s preferable to murder, which is the underlying issue you seem unwilling to confront.
I’m not a medical expert so I’m not going to question what you said. I know people in person who claim that they cannot go vegan because of a nut allergy or something similar so that is what I was referring to earlier.
My reaction is because of my background. I grew up in a family that raised livestock. All throughout childhood I had these books that taught me to think of animals as friends. I liked to play with the chickens. And then one day they would be gone. For me it might as well have been grandma being taken out back and shot.
Still, it took until I was 25 before I went vegan. It finally occurred to me that I couldn’t justify eating meat. I still cannot justify it, under any circumstances. So I am left with a feeling of understanding, yes, but the horror will always be there. I’m an emotional person.
This justification can be used for killing and eating your dog, the local squirrels, your next door neighbor, your grandma, and literally anything else that can be digested on the planet. The fact that you must eat something does not mean that it is morally justifiable to eat anything.
It's ultimately treating animals as property to be done with as the human sees fit with no regard for the animal's desire to live
Sure, this is more mask off in that regard, but it's still the same core issue. All animals deserve to live whether they were brought into the world to be used for the clothing industry, factory farming, or a pet
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This is pretty into the weeds, the vast majority of people could stand to at least attempt vegetarian diets rather than meat for every meal which is where the original commenter's point on "industrial torture industry" comes from
If everyone who is able to do so were doing so, the fraction of a fraction of the population who was unable to for whatever reason would not result in the torture factories present today
You're a regular poster and I know this is good faith, but it's using niche situations to cover for regular, widespread atrocities
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do you know where i could read more about this? tried googling the figure but couldn't find anything
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what do you mean by this?
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I'm not nitpicking, but I did say at least attempt a vegetarian diet which would address the crux of the original comment regarding widespread animal torture which never explicitly even mentions veganism
It's not as though there is going to be some sweeping legislation to outlaw meat and kill meat eaters which is akin to examples you're making here wrt COVID or trans people. If 70% of the population made a conscious effort to stop eating meat that would be a tremendous benefit for their health, the welfare of animals, and the climate. And as a bonus, they'd save money doing it
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I'll be honest, I don't know if I've ever seen a post like that made in sincerity and it's not what I'm advocating for
I don't deny a subset of the population may have legitimate dietary constraints, but their existence doesn't excuse the vast majority who do not. I have seen those who do not use the existence of those people as a shield for their own spinelessness in refusing to cut meat from their diet for purely selfish reasons
And this is coming from an autistic person who cannot stand the texture of beans even today and would sit at the table for hours as a kid refusing to eat vegetables I did not like. If it's important enough, adjusting your diet is an accomplishable task. It's clear that some posters here do not feel the unnecessary suffering of animals is important enough for them to make a relatively simple lifestyle change and it's disturbing
This type of “what about if I had a disease that would kill me if I didn’t eat meat” concern trolling is intended to distract from the underlying issue of mass slaughter. The actual justification that this kind of industrial-scale suffering is acceptable because the food tastes good annd non-human animals don’t matter isn’t as clean an image as disability-rights advocate.
I don’t recommend further engagement.
Yeah think I'm going to tap out of my second experience in this specific topic struggle sesh. It's so tiring seeing people who know better advocating pointless cruelty when they'll criticize libs and chuds for the exact same thought patterns
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Sure, educate me, but don’t pretend that every Reddit-tier anti-vegan is arguing from a sincere concern for these people. I know that there are certain conditions that make going vegan very difficult. However this is a systemic failure to provide alternative sources of protein and nutrients. Killing billions of sentient beings every year is bad. And if you want to argue otherwise, I don’t see why it would then be unethical to kill and eat a dog. And from the animal’s point of view, your reasons for killing them don’t matter.
Every time someone cites a medical condition, I’ve been able to explain that it doesn’t absolutely require eating meat. It’s harder, but it’s preferable to murder, which is the underlying issue you seem unwilling to confront.
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I’m not a medical expert so I’m not going to question what you said. I know people in person who claim that they cannot go vegan because of a nut allergy or something similar so that is what I was referring to earlier.
My reaction is because of my background. I grew up in a family that raised livestock. All throughout childhood I had these books that taught me to think of animals as friends. I liked to play with the chickens. And then one day they would be gone. For me it might as well have been grandma being taken out back and shot.
Still, it took until I was 25 before I went vegan. It finally occurred to me that I couldn’t justify eating meat. I still cannot justify it, under any circumstances. So I am left with a feeling of understanding, yes, but the horror will always be there. I’m an emotional person.
This justification can be used for killing and eating your dog, the local squirrels, your next door neighbor, your grandma, and literally anything else that can be digested on the planet. The fact that you must eat something does not mean that it is morally justifiable to eat anything.
Am I a non-cannibal? Technically, yes, I eat only non-human stuff 99% of the time.