• SaintWacko@midwest.social
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    6 months ago

    Correction: "I'm voting for Biden to make sure the things that are happening right now continue to get slowly better, instead of getting immediately and significantly worse."

    • Barabas [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Can't recall there being an active genocide going on with the full throated support of the US government when Biden got into office.

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        I think most reasonable accounts of the violence at the southern border (which has escalated again under Biden) would be considered a genocide

      • Wakmrow [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        I mean there was it was just not noticed by liberals

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      continue to get slowly better

      lol looking at the last couple weeks all I see is a crackdown on supposed "open society" in order to combat anti-zionism while the war machine rattles on abroad.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          It's more like saying global warming isn't real because a new ice age just started. Biden is leading the greatest attack on civil liberty seen since the fucking Patriot Act, and his warmonger inclinations in Ukraine and Israel aren't counterbalanced by fleeing from the fiefdom of Kabul, and if we take a broader look at how he's handled policy, we see the continued escalation of the war on immigrants (not that he hasn't pursued that lately too) and him basically shrugging at Roe being struck down.

    • flan [they/them]
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      6 months ago

      The things that are happening right now are happening under biden though... why do you think it would get better when he has initiated the worsening?

      I guess I should clarify that I'm not naive enough to think that this all started under Biden because history has inertia. Biden, having been VP before president and a Senator for many years before that certainly had an outsized contribution to the things that are happening now. The things that are in motion now are not going to be solved by Biden or Trump or really any of the entrenched political class in the west and pretending they are is just fooling yourself. They are too ideologically poisoned and are busy self destructing.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        6 months ago

        Show these people a picture of border patrol on horseback whipping black migrants and 99% they'll tell you it was under trump

        There's no way to hold their beliefs without being divorced from reality

    • Rom [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      So why hasn't he made anything get better during the three years he's been in office so far? If anything things have gotten worse.

        • Rom [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          Do you actually have anything to contribute to this conversation or are you just here to piss your pants because people you disagree with are making their voices heard?

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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          6 months ago

          Yeah we have a track record of being right, you can come to terms with it now or wait until the American flag punisher skull armbands come out.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      6 months ago

      Lol things have not gotten slowly better through voting ever or have you somehow missed the last 100 years?

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      6 months ago

      Biden is slowly worse, Trump is quickly worse. Liberalism is not about moving leftward, it's about continuing Capitalist hedgemony.

    • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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      6 months ago

      That's what they said back in '96 when I voted for Ralph Nader. Now we're on the precipice of American democracy falling to fascism, if not now, then very likely in 2028. That doesn't look to me anything like slowly getting better.

      Some things have definitely improved in that time, e.g. the recognition of same-sex marriage, or the nascent resurgence of labor unions. Those things have been the result of slow, tough, hard work by the grassroots.

      In that same time, though, the Democrats have been slowly helping to put the mechanisms of a fascist state in place, like the PATRIOT ACT, FISA, neutering the 4th Amendment, bolstering the Espionage Act, and setting up collaborative efforts between state police, Federal agencies, and the corporate sector to crush protest movements.

      That said, the world is indeed shades of grey, and I voted for Biden in 2020 to stay fascism, if only for a little bit. It's better to vote for the right-wing candidate versus the fascist candidate. I want to vote for him again, but there are some lines that must never be crossed, and I can't in good conscience vote for a President enabling genocide. (The fact that both candidates do is madness.)

      Maybe my calculus would be different if there were a reasonable chance that Democrats would do the things that are within their power to do to check the rise of fascism, but I have no confidence of that, as the track record shows otherwise.

      Edit: Auto-correct damage.