The United States has killed more people than any other Government in the history of the world. They have allied themselves with what are probably the second and third biggest killers (UK & Germany) so they can more efficiently rule the world while killing more and more people.
And yet whe're supposed to see them as the good guys. We're supposed to believe that that very same government has our best interests at heart, and we're supposed to enthusiastically support them and cheer them on when they start on their next mass murder campaign. Because if you don't. If you speak out against the supremacy of this unrepentant killer, then YOU are the bad guy, YOU are the enemy, YOU are evil.
Because the machine demands more death, the machine is good and it demands blood, and they will give it blood. The US government will feed it millions of Iraqis, Hundreds of Thousands of Syrians and Yemenis into the machine.
And now it's feeding this machine hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians. And that is good. And soon it will feed it Hundreds of thousands of Iranians, and that is good. Because one day it will need to kill, massacre, slaughter millions of Chinese. And that is good, that is glorious. Because this machine, the machine of Capitalism, the Bourgois money extraction machine needs it, the machine demands it.
And the populace will cheer. The American people will cheer as it's government kills another million people here, and another million people there. The American will cry tears of joy as they themselves are fed into the machine, grinded into a fine soup and molded into coins. Coins that will flow into the bloody hands of their righteous rulers, their gods, their masters. Those who are seperated from us by the fact that they alone control the machine. They own it. The machine is good and they own it. They are good.
Credit: u/old-barbarossa
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I am once again begging people to learn how to spell bourgeois.
Otherwise, great post.
better if the tagline itself misspells it
I am once again begging people to learn how to spell bourgious
You can teach me to spell it right but you'll never get me to pronounce it right
To me they'll always be the Burger Zs
Read SuperImperialism by Michael Hudson (make sure it is a new edition they have major additions especially since the first edition was used by the Pentagon to make the empire more severe - he talks about how well it sold in D.C. with regret) it's correct to say the US has allied with the other greatest killers in history of course.
Not a lot of people know we've been a debtor not a creditor nation since 1970s unless you talked to some random old man going on about the gold standard, and he probably didn't make much sense, was your friend's dad, and drunk.
Germany and UK are getting fucked by us, the EU as a bloc is not able to protect itself from the dollar
Can you not right now.
This is about us using our debt to other countries to strip them of resources.
This isn't even theoretical this was literally used as a training manual in D.C. - normally I'd commend you on making my eye twitch even when I know your comments are parody but it's pretty misleading and dumb.
The United States has killed more people than any other Government in the history of the world.
This seems true, but do the numbers add up? Vietnam estimates two million civilians died in the American portion of the war. Five million died in the Korean War. Maybe a million Iraqis? The Native American population was already way down by the time 1776 came around.
It takes a hell of a lot to eclipse Holocaust + Russian civilian deaths during WWII. Some estimates put deaths during the Mongol invasions at 40 million. If the U.S. hasn't reached the top it's not from lack of trying, but even if we add the death tolls from American puppet regimes to the U.S.'s kill list I don't know that we can say that the U.S. is #1.
Post WWII, the U.S. is lapping the field, obviously.
Edit - The highest estimates have Vietnam at two million civilians for each side, not two million total.
Consider the deaths in US sponsored coups and terrorism as well.
Indonesia alone has over a million deaths done by their puppet they installed. Multiply that shit by 50 for all the nations they have destroyed or couped
We can't, though, because Indonesia is one of the most populous countries on Earth and most of the other countries the U.S. has ruined are not.
Sure, but imperialists also killed for example: 5 million Russians (let alone other soviet nations) through collapsing their republics and pushing privatized policies and deprivation. That’s not even counting all the social murder they do worldwide through hunger, disease, thirst, lack of healthcare, automobile industry, etc. caused by the systems they enforce
Wow : "An extra 2.5-3 million Russian adults died in middle age in the period 1992-2001 than would have been expected based on 1991 mortality."
If we count all of these things - and we should - Germany might still be the winner. I'm not trying to downplay anything the U.S. has done. I'm saying that Germany was somehow worse than we seem to remember. Twelve million in the Holocaust, plus 24 million Russian civilians, plus all the other deaths in the European theatre of WWII, minus Allied war crimes . . . plus everything else Germany has done before and since. Everything we've mentioned in this subthread still doesn't touch Germany's WWII numbers.
If we are going for all time record, the British empire are still probably the worst for just India alone. An estimated billion were killed there through famine and deprivation over the course of their colonial project, that’s right with a B.
However, ranking these things is sort of irrelevant since the mantle of global capitalist empire was passed off by UK to the USA, so they are in effect the same thing. The imperialist blob of capital, it just shifted its current host.
Germany had a good effort trying to emulate Britain and force their way into power through employing the British/American tactics, but they couldn’t pull it off. The Soviets were just a much harder target to genocide and colonize than the indigenous Americans or undeveloped nations, due to their amazing economy, planning and technology. The power of communism was all that stopped Germany from becoming the new capitalist hegemony instead of the US
I do too. I'm still not sure it adds up. For example - 15 million are estimated to have been kidnapped in the Atlantic slave trade, but that lasted 400 years and the U.S. only existed for part of it (banned in 1808, and the enslaved population in 1860 was "only" four million).
With sanctions and proxy wars we add more deaths from many more sources but the worst of those was probably Iraq, where 1.5 million is the high estimate.
which time for iraq? because it was a third of that just kids in in the mid 1990s when madeline albright said killing half a million kids was cool
I'm unfamiliar with this source, but this is who Al-Jazeera cited for their 1.5 million number in their anti-Albright obituary: https://www.gicj.org/positions-opinons/gicj-positions-and-opinions/1188-razing-the-truth-about-sanctions-against-iraq
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-madeleine-albright-as-who-she-really-was
Especially if you consider the population at the time it might be the Mongols
:soviet-heart: Totally missed this comment making it's way here. That's what i get for being to lazy to log back in...
I did research in university, basically to show that if a human being outside of the US has died violently since the end of WW2 there was a greater than 50,% chance that it was either directly caused by the US military, conditions caused by US occupation, US proxy wars/financing of radical groups, or US arms gifted/transferred either to puppets installed through regime change or just to regimes known to use them against civilians.
It's pretty insane to think about it in those terms but yeah. I think there's been some books that arrived at similar conclusions, I know I trusted my numbers at the time but I'd have to do some serious digging to find anything I wrote back then.
US hegemony literally doubles the number of people being violently killed
That's absolutely wild, I'd like to have a good source on that to spam on other sites.
We get some real libs there occasionally, but it is a great place to drive one another insane and feed each other's psychosis
