I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not against discussing men's issues and helping men. I am against the idea that the left doesn't care about or want to help men. It's simply untrue. To accuse the left, which is largely dominated by men, of being anti-male is ridiculous.
tbh I'm the one starting to feel a little gaslighted here. That or we are both missing each other's points entirely.
Perhaps we mean something different by "caring"? There are a lot of situations and events that suck and I don't callously disregard them but i have no time, effort, or influence on them so i don't actively claim to care, and that's how i've perceived liberal feminist and left (and like, BIPOC toward the struggles unique to white people) attitudes toward the issues facing people on the other side of the relevant privilege axis. chuds pointing out something that's vaguely accurate doesn't mean there's a wealth of positive constructive advice.
we care about poor white people but all we really offer them is "hey it's a class struggle" and we have no political power (at least in the states) to do much more than union organizing, but that may or may not be enough help to some cracker who's being crushed by capitalism, but that person isn't really a priority.
I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not against discussing men's issues and helping men. I am against the idea that the left doesn't care about or want to help men. It's simply untrue. To accuse the left, which is largely dominated by men, of being anti-male is ridiculous.
tbh I'm the one starting to feel a little gaslighted here. That or we are both missing each other's points entirely.
Perhaps we mean something different by "caring"? There are a lot of situations and events that suck and I don't callously disregard them but i have no time, effort, or influence on them so i don't actively claim to care, and that's how i've perceived liberal feminist and left (and like, BIPOC toward the struggles unique to white people) attitudes toward the issues facing people on the other side of the relevant privilege axis. chuds pointing out something that's vaguely accurate doesn't mean there's a wealth of positive constructive advice.
we care about poor white people but all we really offer them is "hey it's a class struggle" and we have no political power (at least in the states) to do much more than union organizing, but that may or may not be enough help to some cracker who's being crushed by capitalism, but that person isn't really a priority.
Well, I don't think I'm much help lol. In any case, here's hoping that by talking more about it we can get closer towards something more helpful.
yeah. ulysses expanded on something i asked about directly and that reply seems like it could be useful to someone
Ulysses is a good guy :comfy-cool: