I lived on a 'farm' (it was an old timey farms worth of land, like a kilometer but hadn't been acrually farmed for years), it didn't acrually need to be productive it was basically just a giant hobby garden. I was a year out of high school and my partner still had a year (we lived with her grandma at the farm) so we'd sell pot at the high school/shitty small town that I'd get when I hitched into town, so I basically lived Stardew Valley for a while. Shit is fun when it's optional, but acrually needing a decent yield to survive would be hell.
Just posted a more or less reply to your thing in the mega about people that farmed historically cause there hadn't been industry yet and they had to. Here's the copy pasta to explain stuff more:
Also thinking that every individual farm was entirely self sustaining and totally isolated. There was like, common land, and trading shit with neighbors and like generally some form of community of a bunch of people with farms because that is fucking necessary to do agriculture and not starve, kinds why civilization came from it, cause you need to organize with others to make this literal Life Hack actually work. The family from The VVitch got excommunicated, they weren’t the norm.
I won’t be opposed to that either. A bunch of small farms run by commies, with a shared common land. We grow shit we want + need, trade with each other (according to need, obviously) and maybe sell the extra stuff at a local town market….
Really? I thought that was a valid thing tho. Like, we need money for rent + food. So if you can already make food via a farm you own…then isn’t it just done already? If you make some more food or something you can sell it at the local market and get some money to buy some luxuries. And you can exchange your crops with your neighbors etc, get a good exchange thing going.
A lot of this is covered via my copy pasta I just sent of a recent post I made on the topic. If you know what you are doing, you could maybe. The food doesn't just happen magically nor can you rely on getting a good yield. Shit weather, bugs, being too sick to tend crops, the fact that The Local Market for you in this day and age is a weekend farmers market where you're probably competing with actual industrial farms but with crunchy advertising and selling to a small crowd of hippies and other people who wake up and go out early on a Saturday, there also just isn't a market in the economic sense for sustainability. Even industrial farms rely massively on government subsidies. It simply isn't reliable. In the past it was more doable because the economy was agrarian and that's how everyone was operating. The other factor is the OG farmers could pass down folk knowledge and it could work okay without real science because they weren't going through globally unprecedented without a meteor hitting levels of climate change. To know how to grow shit good in our current conditions is like brain surgeon levels of science.
We didn't even have animals that we did farm related stuff with :im-vegan: and so was everyone else. We hat kitties and dogs and a goat but they were just there to live their best lives.
It turns out that taking and chomping theirneggs I'd bad for chickens cause the est it back up themselves if it isn't fertilized and get back some of the massive nutrient loss in egg laying. We didn't know that at the time so we did exploit some chickens out of ignorance
I lived on a 'farm' (it was an old timey farms worth of land, like a kilometer but hadn't been acrually farmed for years), it didn't acrually need to be productive it was basically just a giant hobby garden. I was a year out of high school and my partner still had a year (we lived with her grandma at the farm) so we'd sell pot at the high school/shitty small town that I'd get when I hitched into town, so I basically lived Stardew Valley for a while. Shit is fun when it's optional, but acrually needing a decent yield to survive would be hell.
What if all you needed to do was produce enough to feed yourself + family?
Just posted a more or less reply to your thing in the mega about people that farmed historically cause there hadn't been industry yet and they had to. Here's the copy pasta to explain stuff more:
Also thinking that every individual farm was entirely self sustaining and totally isolated. There was like, common land, and trading shit with neighbors and like generally some form of community of a bunch of people with farms because that is fucking necessary to do agriculture and not starve, kinds why civilization came from it, cause you need to organize with others to make this literal Life Hack actually work. The family from The VVitch got excommunicated, they weren’t the norm.
I won’t be opposed to that either. A bunch of small farms run by commies, with a shared common land. We grow shit we want + need, trade with each other (according to need, obviously) and maybe sell the extra stuff at a local town market….
That's pretty much pre-marxist communism
You won't. They'll die and so will you.
Really? I thought that was a valid thing tho. Like, we need money for rent + food. So if you can already make food via a farm you own…then isn’t it just done already? If you make some more food or something you can sell it at the local market and get some money to buy some luxuries. And you can exchange your crops with your neighbors etc, get a good exchange thing going.
Maybe I’ve just seen too many ghibli movies lol
A lot of this is covered via my copy pasta I just sent of a recent post I made on the topic. If you know what you are doing, you could maybe. The food doesn't just happen magically nor can you rely on getting a good yield. Shit weather, bugs, being too sick to tend crops, the fact that The Local Market for you in this day and age is a weekend farmers market where you're probably competing with actual industrial farms but with crunchy advertising and selling to a small crowd of hippies and other people who wake up and go out early on a Saturday, there also just isn't a market in the economic sense for sustainability. Even industrial farms rely massively on government subsidies. It simply isn't reliable. In the past it was more doable because the economy was agrarian and that's how everyone was operating. The other factor is the OG farmers could pass down folk knowledge and it could work okay without real science because they weren't going through globally unprecedented without a meteor hitting levels of climate change. To know how to grow shit good in our current conditions is like brain surgeon levels of science.
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We didn't even have animals that we did farm related stuff with :im-vegan: and so was everyone else. We hat kitties and dogs and a goat but they were just there to live their best lives.
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It turns out that taking and chomping theirneggs I'd bad for chickens cause the est it back up themselves if it isn't fertilized and get back some of the massive nutrient loss in egg laying. We didn't know that at the time so we did exploit some chickens out of ignorance