I mostly play single player strategy games, but sometimes I do play competitive FPS games.
I’ve been looking around and see a lot of good things about Zowie. I see a lot of problems with double clicking with Logitech so I’m avoiding those.
The logitech G502 is the single most durable and consistent mouse I've ever seen, and can usually be found for only like $30 or so (usual price is $70, but every time I've looked it up it's been on sale for half that somewhere). I can't speak to any other logitech mouse or their issues, but I can say that particular model is the exception to their normal shoddy quality.
i second the g502, have used one for years and it hasn't gone wrong yet
just the manufacturers one
not had to use it, so i don't know how long it is/was
Yep I’ve been using a wired g502 for like 10 years and it’s still working great. I don’t ever change DPI so I changed those buttons to volume control and play/pause
I can vouch for the g502, but if you want an alternative I've always loved asus mice. The pugio is super smooth and built like a tank if you need ambidextrous. It even comes with replacement switches iirc.
Huh, I wonder if the quality's slipped over the years or if it's just a function of how popular it is. Mine's been working fine with heavy use for the past four or five years, and as beat to shit as the body of it is now it's still working perfectly. Other mice I've had have always broken within a year, with some switch failing in them or the mouse wheel breaking down and gumming everything up instead. One of the buttons started not registering clicks a few months ago, but some compressed air cleared whatever was jamming it up and it went right back into working order.
I'd still recommend it as a good budget choice in general, although maybe more critically than before if some people get bad ones.
Apparently it has a 2-year manufacturer's warranty, according to the page for it on the bestbuy site, but the amazon one doesn't mention that so idk. Although in the process of looking this up I realized the problem I had a few months ago and fixed with a few blasts of compressed air is the double clicking thing people are talking about, so idk if I was just lucky or if most people are just giving up without trying to fix it.
If you have sensitive right click preferences look elsewhere. The right mouse button on the G502 is a hair trigger.
It is good for gaming, but you'll trigger it a lot at first when just browsing your desktop.
Seconded. I own multiple of this between work and home computers. Easily my all time favorite mouse.
I've had two G502s. One had the double click problem and the other I bought used but has lasted me a long time so I don't know. The experiences I had with Logitech keyboards has made me never want to buy from them again.
I have a steelseries gaming mouse with two side buttons, and a DPI switch, but it's got customizable lighting on it, the only drawback.
It's a great mouse, I've had it since like 2013 and have had no complaints.
I also have one, probably had it for 5 years, wore the rubber off the grip pretty early on but it still works good
Another vote for steelseries. I've got a Rival 3, it's lasted me several years with no issues whatsoever. I was also not a fan of the lighting, but I set it to a mild white/gray color so it's not too bad.
I have been using G602's (and now a G604) for many years and I would recommend them, but they do seem to have reliability issues.
That being said, I only ever bought one G602 and Logitech has been sending me replacements every few years under warranty :comfy-cool:
The double clicking with logitechs is due to some of them using crappy mechanical switches, specifically Omron 50s. According to /r/MouseReview they've since switched to different ones that shouldn't have the same issue, or at least not any more than the average mechanical switch. You can sidestep the issue entirely if you get something with optical switches, which companies like Razer and Roccat usually use. Logitech also has some optical offerings IIRC.
g502 getting a lot of love in this thread but I'd be wary if you plan to use it for your comp FPS gamering, if only because it runs very heavy and that's considered to be bad for that purpose most of the time, though some people like it more. Up to you in the end.
You'll want to think about the shape of the mouse and how you typically hold yours. I found this guide very helpful, as it gives examples of mice from the different shape families and which caters to which grip style. I came from an MX518 and knew that's the shape I wanted, so I chose a Roccat Kone Pro Air for my new PC build. Still waiting to switch over until I do the whole build but it feels very similar.
it runs very heavy and that’s considered to be bad for that purpose most of the time, though some people like it more
By default it feels very light. Even with all the weights added in it's not particularly heavy.
Really? Never used one but online it says it's 121 grams, with most pro gaming mice being 80 and under. Doesn't make a difference in most use cases but I know the FPS crowd (generally) values light weight
NO
Don't EVER get a razer mouse.
The mice are good. All their hardware is good. Their software is utter dog shit. Razer Synapse. It will crash at LEAST twice a day, for no reason. I have run it on 4 or 5 different machines, same story.
Razer Synapse would crash at random, suddenly setting the mouse to default sensitivity in the middle of games. And you couldn't fully quit the program when it crashed. And before I had the Taskkill shortcut, it would restart the processes as you end them in the Task Manager. Only shutting them all off at the same time worked.
I used a razer mouse and keyboard for a while, and I literally had to write a custom Windows shortcut that used Taskkill to force quit all the various Razer processes, and I put that right next to the Razer Synapse launch button. Constantly killing and restarting the fucking thing.
I kept my Razer keyboard because I didn't have any fancy custom keys, so it was just the colors that would constantly fuck up.
I tried downloading Razer Synapse 2 instead of 3, but it literally just wouldn't open the program on my normal ass windows 10 machine.
Logitech has a similar program, Ghub, that not only crashes a lot less, you can also load all the settings onto the mouse and turn the program completely off and never have to worry about the mouse settings getting fucked up. You can even leave Ghub running to control other peripherals like keyboard, headphones etc. but leave the mouse on Onboard Memory mode.
Fuck Razer Synapse.
honestly I can't do razer because of their aesthetic aesthetic (outside a headset I got as a gift) but they've got good hardware - Deathadder v3 pro is well regarded in esports iirc.
I got a cheapo logitech one and its wonderful. Only two thumb buttons, but cheap is a quality of its own.
For real. I've had Razer gaming mice. I've had Coursair gaming mice. I've had cheapo wireless Logitech office mice. Non-gamer Logitech are the best. The batteries never fucking die, the buttons never stop fucking working, and I don't need some dumbass software which requires an email account to change the goddamn colors. I had a Razer wireless mouse and the battery in that fucking thing lasted 8 hours. I'd dock it to charge the thing, but then I'd shut my computer off and the dock wouldn't have power. A friend and I also had wired Razer mice and the buttons broke within like two months. I have a Coursair gaming mouse. It works alright, but it's got the WoW button grid shit going on on the side and one of those buttons locks my computer. I can't rebind them without some nerd ass software which only runs on Windows (but this is still much better than the Razer software).
Your mouse is not the reason you're losing at FPS games. Lowering your mouse sensitivity will make a big difference, but the mouse itself is not the problem. Changing the surface underneath your mouse will make a much bigger difference than spending $100 on a mouse. Get a mousepad. Hell, tape some printer paper to your desk. Night and day improvement.
And the weird aversion to wireless mice is mostly superstition. RF signals travel FASTER than electrons do through copper (though the latency here doesn't fucking matter. You are not that good). The signal needs to be buffered in various microchips along the way regardless of whether it is RF or DC current, (though it doesn't matter, you are not that good). The only arguable complaint is RF interference, which I personally have never struggled with. You got a fancy mechanical keyboard with USB jacks in it right? Plug the reciever in there. It is literally 8 inches away from the mouse. My mouse cable getting snagged on shit has fucked me up far more than spooky RF shit ever has.
Long story short, buy an indestructible keyboard and a shit mouse you won't miss when you put it through the wall.
Sorry about the rant.
I thought the aversion to wireless mice was to constantly switching out slowly deteriorating batteries until you're doing it every 10 minutes. At least that's what happened with my rat9 after 5 years
rants are good. thank you for sharing. Not sure I believe you about the wireless thing, but that's ok, I'm a luddite at heart anyways.
:rat-salute-2: I only use the heaviest wireless logitech professional mouse I can find, every time I deviate from this formula it sucks so bad I come right back
I love my MX master, had it for years, but it doesn't have a DPI switch.
I got Razer Viper Ultimate now cuz it's got optical switches and those don't double click (allegedly). So far hasn't for me, it's been 6 months.
Logitech g403, though i changed the transcoder for the mouse wheel from a kailh switch to something else after it went bad.
I got one of those from a buddy and the mousewheel transcoder was complete garbage. It registered scrolls in the opposite direction the wheel was spinning constantly. Couldn't even browse Hexbear with the thing, let alone switch weapons in games. I disassembled it and pumped the socket full of Elmers glue. It worked a lot better for a while, but still disappointing. The fact that there are tons of youtube videos showing how to take it apart and fix it is concerning, but hey, it was free.
Yeah. Although actually when it worked, it was fairly nice, but i switched to one meant for office work, and the weight of the scroll wheel made it into a nice bump
I had a Logitech shitter mouse for like literally over a decade, one of the thumb buttons died so I decided to upgrade to a g*mer mouse for programmable buttons and it fucking died within 2 months and was specifically fucking designed so that i could not fix it INFURIATING shit.
Now I am back to the same shitty logitech mouse.
i have this nameless chinese made wireless mouse that has lasted years and years i can't even give you any identifiable markings. it was really inexpensive. the "logo" is like a "T" but looks like two jagged pieces of wood.
I've had good luck with Corsair but the RGB lighting is usually part of the deal
You can usually customize it to be a non-distracting solid color on low brightness though
Corsair is probably the most Gamer™ brand out there, so it's surprising that they're actually pretty good. Their customer support is (or was last time I checked, anyway) fantastic. The build quality was generally above all the other Gamer™ brands.
Downsides are that they really lean into the Gamer™ aesthetic which includes RGB stuff, and they're generally a bit overpriced. You can definitely do worse though.
I got a new Evga x15 last year for $30 and the only complaint I have is 2 out of the 12 buttons aren't readily accessible. The rgb can be disabled with its software and the one without all the nerd buttons might be cheaper.
Red dragon mice are g*mer shit, and have rbg, but I've been using one for a few years now with no problems, and they are fairly cheap. I like my red dragon perdition, I can't go back after first using a 12 side button mouse.
