• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Just stop making excuses.

      You need to be able to prescribe a solution that's bigger than "Just stop making consumer choices!" Otherwise, its no different than screaming at people to properly sort their recycleables.

      at least you won’t sound pretentious with the whole “i have nothing to do with these children, its capitalism’s fault!”

      There's a difference between acknowledging a problem and LARPing a solution. Again, by all means, if vegan lifestyle works for you then you're a better person for doing it. But you're still participating in the society. Those grocery dollars are ultimately going to the same agricultural firms and propping up the same institutions as everyone else's.

      This isn't an excuse, its a function of a consolidated market.

      And while I try like hell to shop local and avoid Big Ag wherever I can, I still recognize that I'm just a drop in the bucket. My actions are an attempt to be ethical with very limited input and even less information.

      I'll do what I can to subvert it. But I sure as hell am not going to feel personally guilty because of centuries of institutionalized labor abuse.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          hundreds of people trespass into a meatpacking plant and sabotage it to shut down production, for the climate and to prevent their heinous labor practices and abuse of animals.

          Cheers to this. Where do I sign up?

          Now, how many of those people in that action risking serious prison time do you think eat meat themselves? The idea is comical.

          Not comical at all. Plenty of people are chomping at the bit for serious action beyond mundane consumerism. But they're disorganized, they're paranoid, and they're terrified of the state response.

          You don't need to subsist exclusively on leafy greens to express horror at the treatment of livestock. If diet was all that took to dissent, Ag Gag laws wouldn't need to exist.

          But you’re asking for some collective action people can take against eating meat without individually not eating meat.

          I'm personally of the opinion that farming doesn't need to be inherently abusive or abhorrent. I would love for some kind of organization to channel productive opposition to the existing system. That goes well beyond the "do you eat meat?" binary.