Everybody chooses Hitler, even the great minds at :trueanon:

reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/10vjhva/if_you_could_go_back_in_time_and_could_off_one/

But that has to be a waste right? Great Man Theory, dialectical materialism, blah blah

Germany still would've became fascist because of their overwhelming debt to the victors of WWI. They most certainly still would have started World War II in some way. They almost certainly would've also started genociding the disabled, and probably move on the non-Aryans eventually, or at the very least thrown them all in prisons or some internment zone

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Leader of the GKSD right after being told to assassinate Rosa Luxemburg but before passing those orders onto the rest of the organisation.

    This would cause the order to kill her to fall into the cracks, she would not be killed, and I genuinely believe that the German revolution would have occurred if her assassination had not happened. It was the moment that the thread of fate was severed.

    Pretty much all of my "go back in time and do something" fantasies revolve around saving Luxemburg. You would avoid nazi germany without killing hitler, world war 2 would be a war between capital and communism in a much more direct manner, and it would be won by communism. I believe the Spanish revolution would also have succeeded with a nearby communist Germany. It all would've cascaded.

    • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I really think that the best possible alternate history scenario for the 20th century is the success of the German revolution. Coming right off the heels of the World War, western capitalists would have an extremely difficult time trying to convince the working class to mobilise and invade Germany yet again. Worst case scenario is that Germany would be the only one to turn to socialism alongside the Soviets, but even then I think socialism would be inevitable. Best case scenario is the domino effect that the Soviets were hoping for, where socialists all around the world become emboldened, better organised and funded, receive international aid and revolution springs up all around the world.

      • AtomicBeans [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Even if the world didn't go socialist, I still think a German Revolution would have been the deathblow to capitalism.

        The Soviet Union's biggest problem was manufacturing capacity. Once they full industrialized partway through WWII they were more than a match for the Axis. Imagine technology sharing between Germany and the SU and you'd get that power 10 years earlier. German scientists would also be managed efficiently rather than by coked up nazis. I'd expect them to be the first ones to get the atomic bomb. I still think that a large-scale war would still have happened but it would be between the new socialist states and capitalism. You'd probably see global socialism before the 21st century or at least a global dominance not unlike the height of western imperialism.

    • Juice [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I think you would have to figure out a way to prevent the Vorwarts occupation, which led to hers and Liebknecht's assassination. I think the best chance you would have would be to go back to 1914 and convince Rosa that the break with the SPD and the left wing is inevitable, and they need to agitate and organize and make ready for a split in 1917. Rosa was wrong about the SPD.

      I also think if that didn't work you could drop off a copy of Broue's History of the German Revolution to Paul Levi at any point before the March action in 1921, he might have prevented another disastrous loss for conflict-weary German working class.