• World_Wario_II [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I’m just applying their logic. If racism isn’t real because the word was made up recently, then it follows that race also isn’t real because the word was also made up recently. They can’t have their cake and eat it too.

      In reality, racism is a real social phenomena (obviously) and a word is just used to describe it. It obviously existed as an act before the invention of the term.

      Whereas race is an entirely fictional and scientifically unsupported categorization system made entirely out of false assumptions. Science proves there is no such thing as race in a biological sense, only in the self-fulfilling prophecy social categorization sense.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        1 year ago

        Whereas race is an entirely fictional and scientifically unsupported categorization system made entirely out of false assumptions. Science proves there is no such thing as race in a biological sense, only in the self-fulfilling prophecy social categorization sense.

        The concept of Species and Genus are well defined. Race presumes a sub-species categorization from sufficiently distant historical lines, often as a prelude to speciation.

        There are meaningful distinctions between human populations that diverged from one another prior to the last Ice Age. And there is scientific value in sub-categorizing populations with certain peculiarities of body chemistry - I've got a particular kind of benign anemia that's unique to Mediterranean populations, for instance.

        The racism comes into play when you try and "rank" populations, particularly when that ranking cares a class character. There's no natural "master/slave" relationship. Brain plasticity, combined with education and environment, make IQ a bunk measurement of human potential.

        The idea of race isn't awful on its face. But the mythology of race - combined with the pseudoscience that springs up around genetic variance - is absolutely poisonous to any serious scientific categorization.

        That's before you start pointing out the value of melanin on the eve of a global climate heat spike to a few million pasty faced scions of glacier nomads.

        • World_Wario_II [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          There are meaningful distinctions between human populations that diverged from one another prior to the last Ice Age. And there is scientific value in sub-categorizing populations with certain peculiarities of body chemistry - I’ve got a particular kind of benign anemia that’s unique to Mediterranean populations, for instance.

          That is not what a race is. Race is a category with discrete borders, an arbitrary grouping of phenotypical traits into a box with hard borders. Various sub-populations exist with various different characteristics, but there is no discrete border where one stops or the other begins. The entire world is just a smeared gradient of genotypes, all from the same species without significant variations.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            1 year ago

            That is not what a race is.

            A race is simply a sub-species defined by common parentage. Borders are, at best, gently defined by geography. But two people can have common parentage spanning thousands of miles.

            Various sub-populations exist with various different characteristics, but there is no discrete border where one stops or the other begins.

            Because all humans (and prior to us, quite a few branches of proto-human) can and do fuck and procreate with abandon, the concept of race isn't discrete. You can have both African and American Native parents while living in Australia. Your race (s) have been functionally defined by parents, not geography.

            The entire world is just a smeared gradient of genotypes, all from the same species without significant variations.

            The advent of mass travel and migration over the last three centuries has made it one. But we also had people who were geographically isolated for dozens - even hundreds - of generations. The phenotypical markers are just the surface. There is significant familial variation thanks to both mutation and adaptation.

            The current global blending is the exception, not the rule.