Seriously, how does Germany not see this as an act of war? It is extremely cucked that the German PM isn't calling for international sanctions against America in an emergency UN meeting over this.
the EU are kinda cucked by America right now. Though they have been making efforts of doing their own thing, so now America is picking away at the peripheral states of the EU, e.g. Norway, UK
Well they don't have to go into open war, but they could expel the US military bases from German soil and build cooperation with Russia to secure their energy future.
Okay but that's just going to war with the US with extra steps. How are they going to secure their energy future? Any energy has to go through US controlled territory and the US will just bomb it. The US controls the Baltics and Ukraine. I guess maybe they could get Poland to play ball and let them run a gas pipeline but it'd be like, what, five ten years? And the whole time the US will be sanctioning shit for cooperating with Putler to build the pipeline and making life hell for everyone in Germany business and politics and doing the whole rigmarole.
I think you underestimate the cards that the EU could hypothetically play. You can't sanction Germany without sanctioning all of Europe, and I don't think the US has the power soft hard or otherwise to strongarm every country in Europe all at the same time. Worst case scenario they cause the EU to shatter (inshallah), best case they galvanize anti-American sentiment against themselves and are soon kicked out of the entire hemisphere.
Would America be willing to go to war directly at any point in this process? Against Europe, again I'm not so sure. They would probably have to stick to funding extremists and hoping for the best (worst) to happen.
II admittedly don't know that much about EU internal politics right now, but given how apparently suicidal the current leadership in DC is about pushing their conflicts with Russia and China they definitely seem crazy enough to try to blow up the EU. Plus don't they control tons and tons of individual politicians and rich people in throughout the EU?
Plus don’t they control tons and tons of individual politicians and rich people in throughout the EU?
Maybe but I feel like out of all of America's "allies" the ones in Europe probably have the most sovereignty. Still, if the German leadership aren't willing to test the waters of actually coming into conflict with America, then they might as well be a puppet government.
Seriously, how does Germany not see this as an act of war? It is extremely cucked that the German PM isn't calling for international sanctions against America in an emergency UN meeting over this.
All of Europe is like that lol.
Also a bit unfair to cucks, they have 100 times more self respect than :eu-cool:
except hungary! orban's our savior sob
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I really felt that sobbing
are you stuck in here with us too? i'm so sorry.
No South African, just know about Orban because he keeps saying homophobic stuff.
"notice me sempai!"
the EU are kinda cucked by America right now. Though they have been making efforts of doing their own thing, so now America is picking away at the peripheral states of the EU, e.g. Norway, UK
Because they are already militarily occupied by America and have been since 1945. NATO is there to keep a gun over Europe's head as much as Russia's.
If they say it's an act of war then they're at war with America. With no gas. Then what?
Well they don't have to go into open war, but they could expel the US military bases from German soil and build cooperation with Russia to secure their energy future.
Okay but that's just going to war with the US with extra steps. How are they going to secure their energy future? Any energy has to go through US controlled territory and the US will just bomb it. The US controls the Baltics and Ukraine. I guess maybe they could get Poland to play ball and let them run a gas pipeline but it'd be like, what, five ten years? And the whole time the US will be sanctioning shit for cooperating with Putler to build the pipeline and making life hell for everyone in Germany business and politics and doing the whole rigmarole.
I think you underestimate the cards that the EU could hypothetically play. You can't sanction Germany without sanctioning all of Europe, and I don't think the US has the power soft hard or otherwise to strongarm every country in Europe all at the same time. Worst case scenario they cause the EU to shatter (inshallah), best case they galvanize anti-American sentiment against themselves and are soon kicked out of the entire hemisphere.
Would America be willing to go to war directly at any point in this process? Against Europe, again I'm not so sure. They would probably have to stick to funding extremists and hoping for the best (worst) to happen.
II admittedly don't know that much about EU internal politics right now, but given how apparently suicidal the current leadership in DC is about pushing their conflicts with Russia and China they definitely seem crazy enough to try to blow up the EU. Plus don't they control tons and tons of individual politicians and rich people in throughout the EU?
Maybe but I feel like out of all of America's "allies" the ones in Europe probably have the most sovereignty. Still, if the German leadership aren't willing to test the waters of actually coming into conflict with America, then they might as well be a puppet government.