• chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Yes, the plan is to destabilize the region. Russia to the extent possible. Create a embarrassing foreign policy blunder akin to the US-Afghan occupation, or the Vietnam War.

    Get as many civilians and as much infrastructure destroyed inside Ukraine as possible. Bolster the image of what are obvious nationalist cranks and nazis to anyone with half a brain, however small they can be written off as they're obviously winning the hearts and minds of people and bolstering their ranks with US/NATO support.

    After the conflict you have a lot of weapons, surveillance equipment, cash, training, and critically domestic support for Azov. Whatever state Ukraine is in when the conflict is over or draws down significantly, Azov will undoubtedly seize power. "After all, look at the destruction that occurred under the leadership of the weak Jew." Etc.

    Imperialists will provide the financing and loans to rebuild. They'll set the rules and regulations in the new government, to extract optimally the plant, mineral, and human resources remaining.

    The CIA can orchestrate attacks in mainland Europe, some will occur organically as the cash and money from UA flows out to pagan, Nazi, and occult groups and UA refugees who aren't integrating ideally. Ukraine or some splinter state/region, or (maybe) (possibly) Russia itself can be declared as the origin of these operations - a terrorist state. The US has its justification to invade and occupy.

    I'd imagine most of that occurs in some fashion.

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I can't imagine the CIA planning attacks in Europe unless Europe is hesitant to support UA (which so far they've done somewhat enough) and if Nazis are given the credit. They'll probably given the Belgium treatment and Russian agents will be the official blame for mysterious massacres. That, or they just fund anti-Ukraine Nazi groups and have them do the work without lying too much about their Russian sympathies. Still, Europe and NATO has been pro-Ukraine materially so it doesn't seem like that'll happen, but those excess weapons and hardened Nazis might prove useful for future diplomatic strains with Europe that the US doesn't want to solve civilly.

      • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        We're of different minds that's all, I hope to Christ I'm wrong. I am assuming most of Europe won't have a say, or that those with a say can be easily bought/bribed/removed and that the US will bleed Europe dry and some other states will get the Ukraine treatment. Not that it's necessarily the plan now, but that continuing the unsustainable practices of the US professional class, in the context of a rising China which hopefully can't be engaged directly, will necessitate this course of action.

        In my mind, the long term project is still just to get Capital, or the ultra-wealthy whatever you prefer, into a position of automated technological supremacy over all other life on Earth. A police planet for want of a better term. I was thinking of starting some kind of YouTube or whatever channel to disseminate some firsthand research as yet unpublished (I think), mostly private correspondence and diaries from RAND alumni of the era, about the near-total overhaul of the built environment after WW2. It seems to have been a concerted effort, learning from both the Soviet and Maoist revolutions, and paranoia about Marx's original ideas, to disrupt rural revolution AND isolate people via suburban sprawl. Giving the professionals their skin-in-the-game half acre/mortgage/auto loan and growing the role of television in manufacturing consent, and telephones/mail in surveillance.

        Ultimately the bulk of the imperial core's military - certainly the one nominally defending the country with the most captured, controlled, propagandized, and unquestioning domestic audience - is in the US. Much of the war machine development/construction, surveillance equipment, and the development of computer algorithms to financialize all aspects of human interaction also occur in the US. A lot does happen in UK/France/Germany for sure, but I don't imagine the CIA has any real alliances, and when push comes to shove the calculus will be to shore up the professionals completing the police planet technology so they don't abandon the mission, or find a conscience through a reduction in their standard of living.