• chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    I've met some leftists who get pretty negative about the perceived lack of rights in socialist countries, for groups who've historically been oppressed in the West and had some victories (ignoring the recent reversion toward the mean).

    There is such a deep history to colonialism that people seem to be ignorant of, even if they know it is of course bad. I've met a lot of people who think that the propaganda/ass-covering/concern trolling for an empire's domestic audience is part of neocolonialism. It's been happening for a long time, and it turns out that a lot of people have a negative reaction to being invaded and occupied while publicly it's stated that it's happening because of how they treat women or whatever. The occupiers prop up a class that's willing to push these liberal ideas, who themselves often internalize the false logic that their country is relatively less developed/more impoverished because of the lack of Western sensibilities. Often when the pendulum ultimately swung back though, groups that seized power were even more hostile to those Western liberal ideals. And in the new age, it certainly doesn't help that intelligence services working to undermine, foment counter-revolution, and propagandize revolutionary states' populations often find purchase with people who support the liberal ideas about LGBT persons or issues faced by women and girls... Especially in the earliest years of the revolution, that has a substantial effect of poisoning the well and making those relatively fragile states (which are less able to ameliorate their populations because of the earlier extractive exploitation and more reliant on police powers to maintain power) increasingly suspicious of anyone expressing those kinds of opinions.

    :citations-needed: had a recent episode about Afghanistan I'm pretty sure which touched on a lot of this stuff, I'm sure most everyone here is already aware.