This wiki article and its accusations don't stand up to any scrutiny at all.
According to Matt Schrader writing for the Jamestown Foundation, "overseas Chinese service stations" (Chinese: 华助中心; pinyin: huázhù zhōngxīn; lit. 'Chinese assistance center') were first established in 2014, with 45 centers in 39 countries having been opened by 2019.
45 centers
Safeguard Defenders claimed that, between April 2021 and July 2022, the Chinese government recorded 230,000 "suspects of fraud" who were "persuaded to return".
230,000 people harassed into returning to china for detainment?
There are 365 days in a year, you're telling me these centers successfully harassed 14 people PER DAY per center into returning to China??? Fuck off. Bollocks. How many employees do these centers have? They must be absolutely fucking massive operations with incredible resources to manage harassment campaigns against at least 98 different individuals per week. How quickly do you think you can convince someone to return to China via unclear harassment with no direct paper trail or video link to the government? How many people would make the connection "the government is doing this" instead of just random attackers in the street in the dark like is possible anywhere to anyone?
Absolute nonsense. It would take weeks to convince a person via these methods, you'd need multi-person surveillance teams for every individual you're tracking. These numbers make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I decided to take a look at the listed addresses of these Chinese overseas centres. 49 Watford Way Hendon London is a fucking Real Estate shop , not remotely capable of these numbers even if it is a secret undercover front of the Chinese government (bullshit).
If you perform literally any scrutiny this kind of propaganda always falls apart. The problem is that reddit believes everything at face value because redditors are sheep that trust false or incorrect content to be downvoted. I'm convinced that this system of trusting other people's judgement has led to all of these people completely losing any of their own judgement, they've handed over all critical thinking to other people to do who have also handed over critical thinking to other people to do who have also handed over critical thinking to other people to do and the result of all that is.... reddit.
Safeguard Defenders were also a rebranded shell org that had previously tried to sue China on behalf of Adrian Zenz and primarily received funding from the National Endowment for Democracy.
reddit believes everything at face value because redditors are sheep that trust false or incorrect content to be downvoted. I’m convinced that this system of trusting other people’s judgement has led to all of these people completely losing any of their own judgement
i agree with most of what you said, but calling them sheep is a flawed approach. they have good reason to absorb this propaganda
Westerners are willingly complicit in crimes because they instinctively and correctly understand that they benefit as a class (as a global bourgeois proletariat) from the exploitation enabled by their military and their propaganda (in Gramscian: organs of coercion and consent). We’re not as stupid as we’re made out to be. This means that we can be reasoned with, that there is a way out.
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
they lack Marxism as a tool entirely. the propaganda makes sense to them bc they know of the horrific conditions in the third world and are grateful to reap the dregs of superprofits
but yeah the ppl who use :reddit-logo: are some of the worst of the first world
It's worth noting that, according to fucking Safeguard Defenders, the only source, in the vast majority of cases, the only steps taken were threats to the targets' families who were still in China. There are also 0 cases of kidnapping, but they have it as CLASS 3 on some charts which means that it's definitely something that could happen and we should be scared about it.
This wiki article and its accusations don't stand up to any scrutiny at all.
45 centers
230,000 people harassed into returning to china for detainment?
There are 365 days in a year, you're telling me these centers successfully harassed 14 people PER DAY per center into returning to China??? Fuck off. Bollocks. How many employees do these centers have? They must be absolutely fucking massive operations with incredible resources to manage harassment campaigns against at least 98 different individuals per week. How quickly do you think you can convince someone to return to China via unclear harassment with no direct paper trail or video link to the government? How many people would make the connection "the government is doing this" instead of just random attackers in the street in the dark like is possible anywhere to anyone?
Absolute nonsense. It would take weeks to convince a person via these methods, you'd need multi-person surveillance teams for every individual you're tracking. These numbers make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I decided to take a look at the listed addresses of these Chinese overseas centres. 49 Watford Way Hendon London is a fucking Real Estate shop , not remotely capable of these numbers even if it is a secret undercover front of the Chinese government (bullshit).
If you perform literally any scrutiny this kind of propaganda always falls apart. The problem is that reddit believes everything at face value because redditors are sheep that trust false or incorrect content to be downvoted. I'm convinced that this system of trusting other people's judgement has led to all of these people completely losing any of their own judgement, they've handed over all critical thinking to other people to do who have also handed over critical thinking to other people to do who have also handed over critical thinking to other people to do and the result of all that is.... reddit.
Safeguard Defenders were also a rebranded shell org that had previously tried to sue China on behalf of Adrian Zenz and primarily received funding from the National Endowment for Democracy.
i agree with most of what you said, but calling them sheep is a flawed approach. they have good reason to absorb this propaganda
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
they lack Marxism as a tool entirely. the propaganda makes sense to them bc they know of the horrific conditions in the third world and are grateful to reap the dregs of superprofits
but yeah the ppl who use :reddit-logo: are some of the worst of the first world
It's worth noting that, according to fucking Safeguard Defenders, the only source, in the vast majority of cases, the only steps taken were threats to the targets' families who were still in China. There are also 0 cases of kidnapping, but they have it as CLASS 3 on some charts which means that it's definitely something that could happen and we should be scared about it.
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