This was way before villains were supposed to be "the cool guy" who gets all the awesome lines. People unironically cheered for Superman and Captain America back then. Villains used to be just...bad. Bad people who do bad things and suffer a bad end.
I thought the "Joker x Harley is the ideal relationship" thing came from post TAS stuff. Most of it was extremely edgy in a way the TAS stories never were. TAS was kind of a light noir for kids, but then the comics and other media picked up the Harley character and did what everyone was doing with comics in the 90s - Made it cringeworthy edgelord bullshit.
Sorry, I didn't mean to criticize. I'm just thinking back and most of the cringe joker idealization in my very fallible, mushy memory is Jared Leto joker from. Which can't be right bc that was '16. But like up until ~11 Harley was in her jester costume, then in 2011 the Arkham game's put her in various corsets and leather pants. I mostly remember the Harley x Joker as an ideal relationship stuff after darker-and-edgier Harley became popular.
But who knows. This is all memory and my memory isn't any better than most and worse than some.
It's funny, Joker is and probably always will be Mark Hamill in my head. I'll read Jack Nicholson's joker in Jack's voice, and Cesar Romero's in Cesars voice, but anyone who played the character after TAS is Mark Hamill.
True. Mark was still a kid and as much as I love Star Wars Luke isn't the most powerful personality in cinema. But Mark did such an amazing job as Joker the performance stands out decades later.
This was way before villains were supposed to be "the cool guy" who gets all the awesome lines. People unironically cheered for Superman and Captain America back then. Villains used to be just...bad. Bad people who do bad things and suffer a bad end.
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I thought the "Joker x Harley is the ideal relationship" thing came from post TAS stuff. Most of it was extremely edgy in a way the TAS stories never were. TAS was kind of a light noir for kids, but then the comics and other media picked up the Harley character and did what everyone was doing with comics in the 90s - Made it cringeworthy edgelord bullshit.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to criticize. I'm just thinking back and most of the cringe joker idealization in my very fallible, mushy memory is Jared Leto joker from. Which can't be right bc that was '16. But like up until ~11 Harley was in her jester costume, then in 2011 the Arkham game's put her in various corsets and leather pants. I mostly remember the Harley x Joker as an ideal relationship stuff after darker-and-edgier Harley became popular.
But who knows. This is all memory and my memory isn't any better than most and worse than some.
It's funny, Joker is and probably always will be Mark Hamill in my head. I'll read Jack Nicholson's joker in Jack's voice, and Cesar Romero's in Cesars voice, but anyone who played the character after TAS is Mark Hamill.
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True. Mark was still a kid and as much as I love Star Wars Luke isn't the most powerful personality in cinema. But Mark did such an amazing job as Joker the performance stands out decades later.
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