What's the deal with Bucha anyway? I'm pretty clued up on the war (as much as can be from 1000s of miles away) and I know most of what the Ukrainian government and the West is saying/doing is bullshit.
Is the story an op? Anyone got any info that debunks the Western narrative?
from what i remember it was quite sus, the massacre wasnt mentioned when ordinary ukranian army units moved through back when russians were on the retreat near kiev, but when one of ukraine's far right militias came thats when the discovery of all the bodies was made, this is a while ago so someone please correct me if im wrong
That's what I recall, the announcement was by the mayor like 5 days after the Ukrainians came back in and there were various photos published by Western media of bodies where you could see some of them were carrying russian aid packages
Not sure, I've seen some pro-Russia sources saying it was either the Ukrainians directly or that they were actually victims of Ukrainian artillery shelling. I wasn't really convinced tbh, personally I think it was maybe a couple of Russian units that went rogue and did all that because of a lack of discipline in their ranks, I don't think it was ordered from above.
Bucha was a town near Kiev that was taken by Russia and later retaken by Ukraine after Russia retreated. Ukraine brought in the Special Forces Regiment Safari to clear the town of collaborators, saboteurs, and Russian accomplices. Some Azov guys were there too for some reason. Several days after Ukraine began their clearing operations they found a large number of dead civilians that they blamed on Russia. The bodies were wearing civilian clothes and had white armbands.
There was a video later released of Russian paratroopers executing about 7 disarmed troops in Bucha. They checked them for tattoos and released at least one for only being in the TDF (state militia). The guy that was released was accused of treason by Ukraine, I don't know what happened with that investigation.
Basically everything else is up for debate. Good luck trying to figure out what actually happened. Occupying soldiers do love to do warcrimes and the more elite they are the more they love warcrimes. Ukraine has been declaring people as traitors and collaborators for things like accepting Russian humanitarian aid and teaching to the Russian curriculum plus their far-right paramilitaries aren't too concerned about due process.
What's the deal with Bucha anyway? I'm pretty clued up on the war (as much as can be from 1000s of miles away) and I know most of what the Ukrainian government and the West is saying/doing is bullshit.
Is the story an op? Anyone got any info that debunks the Western narrative?
from what i remember it was quite sus, the massacre wasnt mentioned when ordinary ukranian army units moved through back when russians were on the retreat near kiev, but when one of ukraine's far right militias came thats when the discovery of all the bodies was made, this is a while ago so someone please correct me if im wrong
That's what I recall, the announcement was by the mayor like 5 days after the Ukrainians came back in and there were various photos published by Western media of bodies where you could see some of them were carrying russian aid packages
no idea, i'm not willing to wade through 192929299 miles of opsec and war agitprop to figure it out, and it's happening next door...
Not sure, I've seen some pro-Russia sources saying it was either the Ukrainians directly or that they were actually victims of Ukrainian artillery shelling. I wasn't really convinced tbh, personally I think it was maybe a couple of Russian units that went rogue and did all that because of a lack of discipline in their ranks, I don't think it was ordered from above.
Bucha was a town near Kiev that was taken by Russia and later retaken by Ukraine after Russia retreated. Ukraine brought in the Special Forces Regiment Safari to clear the town of collaborators, saboteurs, and Russian accomplices. Some Azov guys were there too for some reason. Several days after Ukraine began their clearing operations they found a large number of dead civilians that they blamed on Russia. The bodies were wearing civilian clothes and had white armbands.
There was a video later released of Russian paratroopers executing about 7 disarmed troops in Bucha. They checked them for tattoos and released at least one for only being in the TDF (state militia). The guy that was released was accused of treason by Ukraine, I don't know what happened with that investigation.
Basically everything else is up for debate. Good luck trying to figure out what actually happened. Occupying soldiers do love to do warcrimes and the more elite they are the more they love warcrimes. Ukraine has been declaring people as traitors and collaborators for things like accepting Russian humanitarian aid and teaching to the Russian curriculum plus their far-right paramilitaries aren't too concerned about due process.