amazing.
the scheming koreans and crafty chinese are just abusing us japanese for political clout, we've apologized more than enough. they should just let the past go.
:japan-cool: (this seems to be the most common take ive heard regarding the issue from japanese liberals)
we’ve apologized more than enough.
have they apologized even once?
cant apologize for something you dont even admit doing :think-about-it:
In a sense, yes. There's a wikipedia list of various apologies by Japanese officials for imperialist atrocities. However, the list of times that powerful Japanese people have denied the Nanking massacre, worshipped at Yasukuni Shrine etc. would be even longer.
The problem isn't that Japan hasn't apologized. It has apologized at least once to Korea and China and those apologies are a part of public record.
BUT
Everyone involved doubts the sincerity of Japanese apologies because they always turn around and do some shit that makes it look like they don't mean it.
They apologized, but then almost every PM goes to "pay respects" at a shrine where convicted war criminals are interred.
They apologized, but then the Mayor of Fukuoka tells the visiting Mayor of Nanjing that nothing happened in Nanjing during the war.
They apologized but then threaten to "revise" their apology if South Korea doesn't agree to trade policies.
For all the imperfections of German denazification, it's hard to imagine any German Chancellor visiting Himmler and Goerings grave. Or the Mayor of Frankfurt telling the Mayor of Warsaw that the Warsaw Rising was fake news. Or anyone in the German government even thinking of retracting an apology.
Assuming you mean the Good Korea because Bad Korea just sold out its surviving WWII victims of Japanese forced labor at Bidens behest.
Even SK is not exactly happy about Japanese refusal to acknowledge war crimes. There is a reason for instance episodes of Pokemon that had overt Japanese culture got banned there. Just because the country is a US colony for capital doesnt mean they don't have social hangups and and shit with other capitalists. South Koreans as a public are not monolithic with their government.
My point is that this current ROK government has been particularly treasonous with regard to selling out victims of Japanese slavery due to its recent agreement with Japan to pay Korean victims with Korean money instead of demanding more from Japan.
This is of course extremely unpopular with many South Koreans, but let's be real if Kishida visits S Korea he's going to have an incredibly choreographed visit where the Korean president will bend over backwards for him.
You realize I was being facetious and alluding to the general sentiment of Koreans, not literally the itinerary of an actual state visit right?
I was just riffing on your response to point out how spectacularly shitty President Yoon is being.
do not read the comments do not read the comments
:obama-socialism:
i read the comments
'Good to see Japan finally taking a more assertive role in the world.' i hope i can meet this guy in real life and give them a nice hug and a handshake and wish them well in life : ^ )
i hope i can meet this guy in real life
:sicko-pog: :speech-l: :the-doohickey:
and give them a nice hug and a handshake and wish them well in life
:NOOOOO:
What are the chances anyone on that thread knows what is an Ainu?
Not to mention Japan's own home-grown untouchables: the burakumin
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2013/05/14/politics/Abes-pose-resurrects-horrors-of-Unit-731/2971580.html
CW war crimes.
A photograph of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe smiling and giving a thumbs up from inside a training jet emblazoned with the number 731 is going to infuriate Chinese, Russians, Koreans and other victims of Japanese brutality before and during World War II.
The number 731 evokes the name of Imperial Japan’s notorious medical research unit in Harbin, China, that performed lethal experiments on live humans. Some of its scientists were tried for war crimes.
The Nelson Report, an Asia-focused newsletter aimed at Washington politicians, compared Abe’s action to a German prime minster wearing a Nazi uniform “for fun.”
“It is an unimaginable act,” said former ruling Saenuri Party leader Chung Mong-joon, comparing it to “German Chancellor [Angela] Merkel riding an aircraft with the Nazi swastika.”
The Korean media yesterday published the photograph of Abe sitting in the pilot’s seat of a T-4 training jet of Japan’s Air Self-Defense Force’s Blue Impulse flight team at a base in Higashimatsushima in Miyagi Prefecture on Sunday.
The aircraft is labeled with the number 731. In smaller Roman characters, it bears the words “Leader S. Abe” above a yellow arrow.
compared Abe’s action to a German prime minster wearing a Nazi uniform “for fun.”
Who does Abe think he is!? Prince Harry?
Stop being an imperalist lapdog :the-doohickey: :japan-cool:
Leader of a totalitarian one-party state spreads far-right propaganda as a PR stunt to cover up the country’s own sordid history of war crimes, more at 11
What's the deal with Bucha anyway? I'm pretty clued up on the war (as much as can be from 1000s of miles away) and I know most of what the Ukrainian government and the West is saying/doing is bullshit.
Is the story an op? Anyone got any info that debunks the Western narrative?
from what i remember it was quite sus, the massacre wasnt mentioned when ordinary ukranian army units moved through back when russians were on the retreat near kiev, but when one of ukraine's far right militias came thats when the discovery of all the bodies was made, this is a while ago so someone please correct me if im wrong
That's what I recall, the announcement was by the mayor like 5 days after the Ukrainians came back in and there were various photos published by Western media of bodies where you could see some of them were carrying russian aid packages
no idea, i'm not willing to wade through 192929299 miles of opsec and war agitprop to figure it out, and it's happening next door...
Not sure, I've seen some pro-Russia sources saying it was either the Ukrainians directly or that they were actually victims of Ukrainian artillery shelling. I wasn't really convinced tbh, personally I think it was maybe a couple of Russian units that went rogue and did all that because of a lack of discipline in their ranks, I don't think it was ordered from above.
Bucha was a town near Kiev that was taken by Russia and later retaken by Ukraine after Russia retreated. Ukraine brought in the Special Forces Regiment Safari to clear the town of collaborators, saboteurs, and Russian accomplices. Some Azov guys were there too for some reason. Several days after Ukraine began their clearing operations they found a large number of dead civilians that they blamed on Russia. The bodies were wearing civilian clothes and had white armbands.
There was a video later released of Russian paratroopers executing about 7 disarmed troops in Bucha. They checked them for tattoos and released at least one for only being in the TDF (state militia). The guy that was released was accused of treason by Ukraine, I don't know what happened with that investigation.
Basically everything else is up for debate. Good luck trying to figure out what actually happened. Occupying soldiers do love to do warcrimes and the more elite they are the more they love warcrimes. Ukraine has been declaring people as traitors and collaborators for things like accepting Russian humanitarian aid and teaching to the Russian curriculum plus their far-right paramilitaries aren't too concerned about due process.
I went into the comments so you don't have to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan They have recognized them, they are recognizing them, they are just not discussing them. First and foremost because Japanese culture has no proper way of dealing with shame. For centuries it was totally normal for Japanese people to commit suicide for trivial things for which they felt ashamed. They have no way to deal with the national level of shame related to the atrocities, that's why they prefer not talk about them.
I'm not even sure I can properly mock this. All around shamelessly offensive.
