Literally was told this as a child in Sunday school
That while we are all capable of sin, mankind is fundamentally good and that's why Jesus sacrificed himself for us
The sacrifice specifically relieved mankind of the burden of Original Sin. It's the whole point of the thing. Slate cleaned. For all mankind not just the children of Abraham. Now it's up to you to live a good life.
Of course a bunch of USA 'catholics' would chafe at the idea of not being able to judge or hate. A nation founded on genocide and racism has a real tough time not poisoning the fuck out of any new (edit: or old) concepts it encounters.
Wait so did all humans before Christ have original sin? What are the implications of this according to Catholic theology? Like would all cavemen have gone to hell?
Yeah, but they weren't really aware of cavemen back when they cooked it all up. Also I think you just go to purgatory, not hell. I haven't really been up on my catechism since my mid teens so like 20+ years ago.
Yeah, if I remember proper, Purgatory was invented as the answer to this conundrum
But specifically for unbaptised babies
That sounds correct. Babies and the souls of people who led virtuous lives but had no knowledge of Jesus.
"going to hell" wasn't as much of a concept till Dante's inferno; it wasn't a major concern
I got taught the opposite at Sunday school because my parents attended a Baptist church. I remember the acronym TULIP and being told that we are all guilty of sin before God. Then we moved to another Baptist church that was not a reformed church and rejected Calvinism, but was full of evangelical brainworms
Must have been rough, especially since I got a lot of shit at my slightly more progressive Sunday school anyway for asking my little autistic kid questions
It only got rough later, I was pretty much a true believer in evangelical Christianity, young earth creationism, etc until I was 14 years old or so. Then I started questioning, and by 16 I was an atheist and no longer attended church
The second Thirty Years War will be waged on the battlefield of social media.
I can't wait for the Permabanning of Prague to really kick things off!
We need to summon the Prince-Electors to vote on the Emperor (Twitter Main Character)
Pope is just a fancy title for the King of Irony.
Are people really surprised that Catholics and Orthodox Christians (the majority of Christians in the world) don't believe in total depravity? This is Christianity 101. Catholic and Orthodox Christians are not Calvinists.
Evangelical protestant fundamentalism from the United States and it's exports has really ruined so many people's understanding of Christianity.
Are people really surprised that Catholics and Orthodox Christians (the majority of Christians in the world) don't believe in total depravity?
Well you have to be pretty depraved to believe in total depravity tbh
Lol. But total depravity(humans are inherently evil and enslaved to sin without the irresistible grace of God) is one of the five tenents of the Calvinist reformation, along with unconditional election (predestination of those chosen to receive salvation, the elect), limited atonement (Christ died only for the sins of the elect), irresistible grace (God's grace overcomes the resistance to the gospel of the elect), and perseverance of the saints (true believers will never lose their faith and continue to follow God's teachings, as they are the elect).
To a lot of people raised in protestant churches, this is Christianity and everything else is hearsay. Even if they do not know about these five tenents, they've passively absorbed them through Sunday school and attending church services where the pastor bases their sermons on these tenents. Which means that they believe in predestination without even knowing it! Which is also why they are so surprised to hear the Pope reject them, it goes against everything they've ever heard in church. Despite the majority of Christians on earth not being reformists/Calvinists.
Sounds like they need some tender loving reeducation to pull them worms out of their noggins
Desperately. The amount of people that have told me that they believe Catholics are not actually Christian after hearing about the most basic Catholic beliefs is way too damn high.
> por ahí somos un poco pícaros, pecadores, pero el corazón es bueno
< YES, THERE ARE SOME ROGUES AND SINNERS, BUT THE HEART ITSELF IS GOOD
Externalizing "we" when talking about bad people but not good. reliable, unbiased translation from 60 minutes
Un poco I think also more strongly denotes (or at least connotes) a small amount, whereas the connotation with “some” meaning a small amount is weaker (and it has no such denotation) so the translation isn’t great for that reason either.
The funniest ones are the militant Catholics and fascists that think the Pope is a Catholic Stalin and has turned Catholicism woke
