i don't know what this argument is about, i fully appreciate the way that scene does not entertain a lot of people.
the more you get into it the more unique and less identifiable with broader trends it becomes, and the less you can use it as a yardstick to judge other writing. 99% of quips are not in the same room as Dark Helmet, in a situation that will threaten the speaker's mortality. that's not a problem with 'whedonisms' its a problem-with-joking-when-the-villain-has-the-protagonist-in-their-power.
bending the narrative logic to make room for jokes
this is not a good guiding principle. proper comedies and good jokes revolve the narrative around what would be funny. illogic of a situation is a base form of comedy, the subversion of the expectation is a base form of comedy. you can't make these pay off without playing with narrative logic. Pulp Fiction is a parade of wildly unlikely and absurd events, but it's written by a disgusting pervert who can do a joke well.
we can wax all day about story ,narrative, comedy, genre and how they should balance each other but at the end of the day we're talking subjective preferences and never about truly great movies. the new star wars trilogy is Not Good, everyone agrees on this except preteens. most of the Marvel movies are mid, most films -period- aren't blowing people's minds.
its not controversial at all to assert 'comedy in some movies these days doesn't land', but we've got to channel that through a grievance politics against "Marvel Soy dialogue" or whatever because everyone gets to use it as a stalking horse for [leftist] complaints about creativity under monopoly/capital [reactionary] complaints about diversity [contrarian] popular thing must be bad.
i don't know what this argument is about, i fully appreciate the way that scene does not entertain a lot of people.
the more you get into it the more unique and less identifiable with broader trends it becomes, and the less you can use it as a yardstick to judge other writing. 99% of quips are not in the same room as Dark Helmet, in a situation that will threaten the speaker's mortality. that's not a problem with 'whedonisms' its a problem-with-joking-when-the-villain-has-the-protagonist-in-their-power.
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this is not a good guiding principle. proper comedies and good jokes revolve the narrative around what would be funny. illogic of a situation is a base form of comedy, the subversion of the expectation is a base form of comedy. you can't make these pay off without playing with narrative logic. Pulp Fiction is a parade of wildly unlikely and absurd events, but it's written by a disgusting pervert who can do a joke well.
we can wax all day about story ,narrative, comedy, genre and how they should balance each other but at the end of the day we're talking subjective preferences and never about truly great movies. the new star wars trilogy is Not Good, everyone agrees on this except preteens. most of the Marvel movies are mid, most films -period- aren't blowing people's minds.
its not controversial at all to assert 'comedy in some movies these days doesn't land', but we've got to channel that through a grievance politics against "Marvel Soy dialogue" or whatever because everyone gets to use it as a stalking horse for [leftist] complaints about creativity under monopoly/capital [reactionary] complaints about diversity [contrarian] popular thing must be bad.
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