Saying Calvanists and Evangelicals “arent real Christians” is defending Christianity from criticism.
I have not defended christianity from criticism. Would you like a fifth post pointing out that the Roman Church abetted not only genocide, but also cultural genocide as well as found theological justifications for the transatlantic slavery systems? Or are you people not even reading my posts now?
I could have said 'the theological developments introduced by Calvinism are at first reading at odds with the pre-capitalist, pre-industrial, feudalistic and moralistic markets once espoused by both the medieval church and by secular authorities, which in both medieval and early modern Europe always held a religious bent. Every socialist knows the story of the commodification of grain in England and the erosion of the moral economy which imposed barriers for grain trade. This mutation of the christian ethos happened in stages over a long period of time, from the reformations, through the 1800s to today. As they have been taken to their logical extreme by modern neopentecostalism the churches with a calvinist bent have also developed a particular reactionary political agenda of such predatory nature that places them apart even from the general backwardness that some other, older churches espouse. The cognitive dissonance in the neopentecostal sects is particularly pronounced. In one personal experience pastors will read out a biblical passage that decries the rich for not paying out wages, and teach that it as some sort of ancient call out of Big Government'.
I got lazy and said that calvinists are not 'christian'. The quotation marks were there for a reason, but it wasn't enough. Not only must I be a christian (which, again, I am not but thanks for baptizing me btw) but a christian apologist. Except it was a very specific point about a specific group's ideology, nothing more. You're the one who is choosing to read the words 'the Catholic Church has committed genocide' as coming from someone who's a christian apologist. That's your choice.
If I had said that the Moonies aren't 'really christian' as their entire story is beyond the pale of the basic tenets of christian cosmology nobody would have turned that around accused me of pretending that Christianity can't be racist (as the Moonies are segregationist). Or at least I hope they wouldn't.
I will of course apologize for calling you a pedophile. I genuinely thought 'nonce' meant something different. Like 'person who's behaving in a thoughtless way', as in 'nonsense'.
Differentiating Catholics from Protestants is fine, but they're both still types of Christian. Saying one side is "not christian" is a common tactic used by Christians to misdirect critiques about their religion and it lets them avoid self reflection. Im sorry I assumed you were a Christian for using that argumen, its something that annoys me about christians and I jumped the gun.
I do want to reiterate an apology for calling you a nonce. I've been hostile in this thread as well. It's just frustrating to be called delusional, an apologist, or a denialist of some kind by people on the internet on the basis of phrasing. I've had a friend kill themselves straight out of catholic school. Another was sent to gay conversion camp. I very nearly specialized on the history of religious bigotry at school. I'm fully aware of so much shit that's gone down I don't even talk about it to other people anymore. They either deny it (not to my face, to themselves), compartmentalize it, or their outlook becomes visibly worse. It's all exhausting.
I have not defended christianity from criticism. Would you like a fifth post pointing out that the Roman Church abetted not only genocide, but also cultural genocide as well as found theological justifications for the transatlantic slavery systems? Or are you people not even reading my posts now?
I could have said 'the theological developments introduced by Calvinism are at first reading at odds with the pre-capitalist, pre-industrial, feudalistic and moralistic markets once espoused by both the medieval church and by secular authorities, which in both medieval and early modern Europe always held a religious bent. Every socialist knows the story of the commodification of grain in England and the erosion of the moral economy which imposed barriers for grain trade. This mutation of the christian ethos happened in stages over a long period of time, from the reformations, through the 1800s to today. As they have been taken to their logical extreme by modern neopentecostalism the churches with a calvinist bent have also developed a particular reactionary political agenda of such predatory nature that places them apart even from the general backwardness that some other, older churches espouse. The cognitive dissonance in the neopentecostal sects is particularly pronounced. In one personal experience pastors will read out a biblical passage that decries the rich for not paying out wages, and teach that it as some sort of ancient call out of Big Government'.
I got lazy and said that calvinists are not 'christian'. The quotation marks were there for a reason, but it wasn't enough. Not only must I be a christian (which, again, I am not but thanks for baptizing me btw) but a christian apologist. Except it was a very specific point about a specific group's ideology, nothing more. You're the one who is choosing to read the words 'the Catholic Church has committed genocide' as coming from someone who's a christian apologist. That's your choice.
If I had said that the Moonies aren't 'really christian' as their entire story is beyond the pale of the basic tenets of christian cosmology nobody would have turned that around accused me of pretending that Christianity can't be racist (as the Moonies are segregationist). Or at least I hope they wouldn't.
I will of course apologize for calling you a pedophile. I genuinely thought 'nonce' meant something different. Like 'person who's behaving in a thoughtless way', as in 'nonsense'.
Differentiating Catholics from Protestants is fine, but they're both still types of Christian. Saying one side is "not christian" is a common tactic used by Christians to misdirect critiques about their religion and it lets them avoid self reflection. Im sorry I assumed you were a Christian for using that argumen, its something that annoys me about christians and I jumped the gun.
I do want to reiterate an apology for calling you a nonce. I've been hostile in this thread as well. It's just frustrating to be called delusional, an apologist, or a denialist of some kind by people on the internet on the basis of phrasing. I've had a friend kill themselves straight out of catholic school. Another was sent to gay conversion camp. I very nearly specialized on the history of religious bigotry at school. I'm fully aware of so much shit that's gone down I don't even talk about it to other people anymore. They either deny it (not to my face, to themselves), compartmentalize it, or their outlook becomes visibly worse. It's all exhausting.