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Hey! I'm pretty new to Marxism and I'm trying to think of healthcare labor in the terms of commodity production, but I don't know if it even applies. I tried googling, but I couldn't find anything relevant.

The way I'm starting is: how much of the total labor time of a given society is dedicated to:

a) preventing or ameliorating the reduction of labor force by

  • preventing diseases, specific or in general;

  • shortening the duration and/or reducing the damage of stablished diseases;

  • rehabilitating the patients who end up with some form of disability due to a disease;

(These are called prevention stages)

b) increasing the labor force with better mother/child health conditions

c) caring for those in need

  • with direct repercussions on labor force and/or demand for healthcare labor e.g. someone leaving their job so they have time to care for a son with a genetic disability; an elderly person needing constant, high cost treatments and interventions due to a diabetic foot and kidney failure;

  • without direct repercussions on labor, or care for care's sake.


Can you guys help me navigate this by providing sources, giving directions or expanding on something? Thanks!

  • silent_water [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    you're looking for social reproduction theory. services are the portion of socially necessary, reproductive labor. as women have entered the workforce, much of this labor (the non-medical part) can no longer be borne by unpaid laborers who depend on a man to bring home adequate wages to keep them all alive. much of it is still silently borne, invisible and unpaid labor. but now you can go buy your cup of coffee from baristas at Starbucks or whatever, or order food and have it brought to you through the gig economy. medical work has always required too much specialized training to be done entirely at home but it still fits under this umbrella - it was just commoditized faster than the rest. as with all commoditization it took an initial period of enclosure - I recommend reading Federici's Caliban and the Witch for the gory details and the development of this theory.

    • IceWallowCum [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Thanks!

      Yeah, I guess that's what my babbling was aiming at, some kind of "support" labor for the "main" one (regarding value and use value production), right?

      I've had that book sitting around in the shelf for a while and never gave it a try, but I'll do now.

    • IceWallowCum [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Hey again! I've been developing these ideas and I was wondering what you meant by this:

      as with all commoditization it took an initial period of enclosure.

      Does it mean restricted access to a thing making it attractive as a commodity?

      I'm still going to read the book btw, getting some Kapital remembering before diving into it.

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        enclosure refers to the period where something that once belonged to the commons is circumscribed by a proto-capitalist, or where public property becomes private. part of this period of history was the proletarianization of the population, with the intentional destruction of village communities (because the land was enclosed), forcing people to seek work in the cities, atomizing people from communities into the family unit. it's this period that gave us the witch trials, as Federici argues, because women's freedoms had to be restricted until they worked at home, so the older forms of women's power had to be broken.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Value is equivalent to socially necessary labor time. Healthcare labor requires this amount of time. The only odd thing about it is the human to human element, in large part, service labor is produced on demand and consumed at the same time. The fact that it's wage labor means that it's still largely a commodity though.

  • D61 [any]
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    2 years ago

    Unsure if this is what you're asking for but here I go with an overly simplistic attempt. Start by breaking down a specific healthcare need such as "treating a broken finger". Record the number of hours it takes to diagnose, treat, followup, etc. Calculate the dollar cost (or appropriate currency) as best as you can; cost of expendables used, wages of medical workers, and other more concrete dollar valued things. If possible or necessary add some fraction of the less concrete dollar valued things by working out some calculations for the cost of running a medical facility, training/education of medical professionals, retirement, retention efforts and other administrative things.

    Do some more math and that should get an approximation, in currency, of the value of a healthcare service.

    If you're asking about how things like healthcare relate to things like a factory worker making widgets, maybe think of it like a technician who is called in to repair or maintain a machine in the factory (a bit dehumanizing of an example but their purpose is the same in a way). When the machinery is fixed/maintained, the factory can maintain productivity or increase productivity. When the workers are kept in good health and their injuries are properly treated, the factory can maintain productivity.

    • IceWallowCum [he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      At this point, I think even I am unsure of what I'm asking, tbf. I'll just go back to Kapital I guess.

      Thanks for the reply! The last paragraph is more in line with what I was thinking