• SteamedHamberder [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Weren’t the Mongols terrible boaters? They failed miserably when they attempted to take Japan

    • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      While the Mongols weren't known for their naval prowess, my understanding is they got rekt by a hurricane on the way to Japan. So bad luck mostly. The hurricane was called a "divine wind" or "Kami Kaze" by the Japanese for that reason.

        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          British🤝Japanese. 90% of naval combat reputation from being a miserable land of constant thunderstorms.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            1 year ago

            The Koreans, on the other hand, actually fuck, and had the best naval and land artillery and the best naval gunnery in the world for at least a hundred years at one point.

            • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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              1 year ago

              130–330 japanese warships :wojak-nooo:

              vs

              13 korean turtle ships :gigachad-hd:

      • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Apparently there are major reasons to doubt that this was the only reason. Alot of modern historians from what I gather think the 'divine wind' thesis is too simple by itself. If you look at the primary sources in particular the mongol communications they had already decided to withdraw before a storm hit.

        Japan was far away from mainland China, the Mongols were not seafarers (they had to use Korean and Chinese sailors and troops as the bulk of the force and the latter were not very happy or motivated to be forced to sail cross the sea to invade japan for their mongol overlords), it's several large islands with, by that time, stabilized military feudal military dictatorship under a proficient warrior class. They know the land. You don't. It's the 13th century so sailing is seriously dangerous and difficult. One of Kublai Khan's advisor cautioned him against sending further expeditions because of the record of how difficult it obviously was to actually take mainland Japan. It seems like the Mongols genuinely struggled and gave it up. It's fascinating how they steamrolled across Eurasia but struggled for understandable reasons when they faced naval and jungle warfare.

    • Quaxamilliom [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Bullshit, they were successfully taking over Japan, til a down-trodden samurai with daddy issues fucked them all up and sent them home. I played the game.