A Munich court handed out prison sentences to all members of a banned Turkish communist group who stood trial. They lent financial and other support while knowing the group was plotting a coup in Turkey.
If you really want to rip your hair out you could look up how the cops botched every part of the investigation of this group(NSU) killing Germans with a Turkish background for almost a decade.
How the cops at every turn tried to somehow pin it on the families of the actual victims, for example they always thought that the families must be involved in some drug crime or clan activity which led to the murders, never at one point did they even consider racial motivations of the murderers. This only came out when two of the Nazis fucked up and got into a shoot-out with the cops and at the end killed themselves. Not because of the awesome German law enforcement.
All of this series of missteps by the investigators is accompanied by not completely understood activities of our internal intelligence service(former leader Maaßen is an actual right wing conspiracy nut - look up his twitter for a dose of brainworms), the files of that activity is in the files I mentioned above. It is all completely absurd and such a tragedy what has been done especially to those poor families whose lives have literally been destroyed not only by the murders themselves but by the horrible incompetence and outright malfeasence of the state. It is unbelievable.
Sorry another rant, I just hate this fake ass land of daisys so much.
The RAF is an interesting topic. Although I can understand the motivations for what they did, I'm more convinced of their actions being detrimental in the bigger picture.
It's my general gripe with the concept of accelerationism, like I get it you want to bring by the revolutionary moment, but you won't be able to do that by randomly killing CEOs if the general population does either not get your message at all(like physically not get it), or are because of these actions turned of completely by the ideas you want to see succeed.
And even if you would be able to get a Revolution going you have no actual broad support, all you got is a violent ideological elite. So you won't be able to sustain your project, because you've created a at best distrustful populace.
So, this is IMO definitely not what Marx meant by "We won't excuse the terror".
What are your thoughts on the RAF?
But on the cops I agree :100-com:, it's a very good point: if they want to, they can.
There never was any dissipation of Nazism. The German judicial branch survived the war and trials almost unchanged. Less than 2% of public servants, all of which made pledges to Hitler, were banned from further service. Many politicians that very Nazis, stayed in high level governmental positions. In total, less than 2000 people were on trial in connection with the regime.
What they don't tell you usually is that the Soviets were the only ones interested in really rooting out the responsible Nazis. Not saying they got to all of them, but at least they really tried. This is the official directive on how this was to be accomplished in East Germany after the war and how Nazis were to be treated.
In contrast, the West at some point needed people for the new administration and the Nazis knew how to do exactly that and they obviously also knew not to be too on the nose with their politics. So the west mostly didn't oppose them.
Yeah, that is true if you look at it from that side, it is understandable that they thought they could make it boil over.
Which brings to mind the question did Marx underestimate the power of reformism. You don’t see revolutions in developed countries. Lenin thought that the German workers would revolt and what happened was the 3rd Reich.
There was a revolution in Germany in 1919 and if the SPD wouldn't have been too butthurt and would've thrown in with Rosa, we could have had a Communist Germany. Just saying.
Imagine how different everything, literally everything, could've been.
I think that such a campaign would be pointless today because of the general level of comfort and the turn from capitalism towards capitalist realism. There is simply no alternative in the minds of most people. The first step would be forming that alternative. The second would be waiting. Without an external catastrophe that makes the general conditions bad enough, there won’t be any general motive in change. The USA now is a good example. There is a Floyd every week in the news. What made it possible for his death to spark a movement was the general level of discontentment and fear fuelled by the coronavirus itself, it’s economic consequences and the inability of the government (Trump specifically) to mediate and not escalate.
It is very hard to imagine, definitely. Capitalism is like the Catholicism of our time, it is gospel and everything arguing for system change is declared heresy.
I was contemplating this as well, like do we need another World War before we in the first world will overthrow capitalism, but now that I'm thinking of it,
isn't there a big crisis right around the corner and growing by the minute, like our climate?
I really hate it how libs have been able to control the narrative by arguing for reformism and all that shit, but I think they can keep a lid on the boiling pot forever.
But that might be it. Additionally, generally speaking the contradictions are only getting bigger, even in Europe.
Think about this little statistic: in Germany(population 80m) there are 3 million children growing up in poverty.
The problem is, I'm of the opinion that Lenins approach with some form of Vanguard is the correct approach to efficiently channel the energy of the emancipated masses.
I just don't know who that could even be, or how that could be organized today or how it commands any legitimacy and thereby power.
But can't become a doomer. We'll figure it out along the way. Hope is never lost. :cat-com:
If you really want to rip your hair out you could look up how the cops botched every part of the investigation of this group(NSU) killing Germans with a Turkish background for almost a decade. How the cops at every turn tried to somehow pin it on the families of the actual victims, for example they always thought that the families must be involved in some drug crime or clan activity which led to the murders, never at one point did they even consider racial motivations of the murderers. This only came out when two of the Nazis fucked up and got into a shoot-out with the cops and at the end killed themselves. Not because of the awesome German law enforcement.
All of this series of missteps by the investigators is accompanied by not completely understood activities of our internal intelligence service(former leader Maaßen is an actual right wing conspiracy nut - look up his twitter for a dose of brainworms), the files of that activity is in the files I mentioned above. It is all completely absurd and such a tragedy what has been done especially to those poor families whose lives have literally been destroyed not only by the murders themselves but by the horrible incompetence and outright malfeasence of the state. It is unbelievable.
Sorry another rant, I just hate this fake ass land of daisys so much.
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The RAF is an interesting topic. Although I can understand the motivations for what they did, I'm more convinced of their actions being detrimental in the bigger picture.
It's my general gripe with the concept of accelerationism, like I get it you want to bring by the revolutionary moment, but you won't be able to do that by randomly killing CEOs if the general population does either not get your message at all(like physically not get it), or are because of these actions turned of completely by the ideas you want to see succeed.
And even if you would be able to get a Revolution going you have no actual broad support, all you got is a violent ideological elite. So you won't be able to sustain your project, because you've created a at best distrustful populace.
So, this is IMO definitely not what Marx meant by "We won't excuse the terror".
What are your thoughts on the RAF?
But on the cops I agree :100-com:, it's a very good point: if they want to, they can.
What they don't tell you usually is that the Soviets were the only ones interested in really rooting out the responsible Nazis. Not saying they got to all of them, but at least they really tried. This is the official directive on how this was to be accomplished in East Germany after the war and how Nazis were to be treated.
In contrast, the West at some point needed people for the new administration and the Nazis knew how to do exactly that and they obviously also knew not to be too on the nose with their politics. So the west mostly didn't oppose them.
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Yeah, that is true if you look at it from that side, it is understandable that they thought they could make it boil over.
There was a revolution in Germany in 1919 and if the SPD wouldn't have been too butthurt and would've thrown in with Rosa, we could have had a Communist Germany. Just saying.
Imagine how different everything, literally everything, could've been.
It is very hard to imagine, definitely. Capitalism is like the Catholicism of our time, it is gospel and everything arguing for system change is declared heresy.
I was contemplating this as well, like do we need another World War before we in the first world will overthrow capitalism, but now that I'm thinking of it,
isn't there a big crisis right around the corner and growing by the minute, like our climate?
I really hate it how libs have been able to control the narrative by arguing for reformism and all that shit, but I think they can keep a lid on the boiling pot forever.
But that might be it. Additionally, generally speaking the contradictions are only getting bigger, even in Europe.
Think about this little statistic: in Germany(population 80m) there are 3 million children growing up in poverty.
The problem is, I'm of the opinion that Lenins approach with some form of Vanguard is the correct approach to efficiently channel the energy of the emancipated masses. I just don't know who that could even be, or how that could be organized today or how it commands any legitimacy and thereby power.
But can't become a doomer. We'll figure it out along the way. Hope is never lost. :cat-com: