What people do you think waving the English flag is "getting on their side" ? And what people do you think it is alienating to? Given its usage outside of sports is regarded as racism.
I'll ask you again. Who do you think the people waving this flag define as "English" ?
but you can’t do it by calling the people who use them racist when they only use them because it represents their country and they’re not even thinking of the bad things it might symbolize
I don't think you quite understand how thoroughly the English flag is used to represent "England for the English" type of rhetoric. Outside of the sports context (the only justified use of it today) the people waving the English flag rather than the union jack are doing so to intentionally make a statement about being white, it is utilised in all cases as a dogwhistle for anglo-white English racism.
This is why "Who do you define as English?" is such an important question here. I guarantee you that someone with afro-caribbean ethnicity (quite common in the UK) or indian or pakistan ethnicity, but born in England, is not considered "real English" to the people who fly this flag. I stress the outside of sports part here.
i get you're well meaning, but outside of a major sporting event, it is seen as about the same level of far-right scumfuckery as the yank confederate flag
and i live in one of the poorest parts of the country
Yes, and that was during the period of time the other poster was referring to
It's just funny how Euros constantly call us morons for not knowing history and yet suddenly someone can come up with a hilarious misnomer like "Confederate Yankee" and they thinks they're the one that's right.
You see, the thing is that the English flag isn't actually used for anything other than sports. The Union Jack is used as the flag of the country, because the country is the United Kingdom.
This is what creates the unique usage of the English flag by racists.
This isn't something that is just an "internet forum" thing either. This is in the mainstream discussion regularly, year after year after year.
What people do you think waving the English flag is "getting on their side" ? And what people do you think it is alienating to? Given its usage outside of sports is regarded as racism.
I'll ask you again. Who do you think the people waving this flag define as "English" ?
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I don't think you quite understand how thoroughly the English flag is used to represent "England for the English" type of rhetoric. Outside of the sports context (the only justified use of it today) the people waving the English flag rather than the union jack are doing so to intentionally make a statement about being white, it is utilised in all cases as a dogwhistle for anglo-white English racism.
This is why "Who do you define as English?" is such an important question here. I guarantee you that someone with afro-caribbean ethnicity (quite common in the UK) or indian or pakistan ethnicity, but born in England, is not considered "real English" to the people who fly this flag. I stress the outside of sports part here.
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i get you're well meaning, but outside of a major sporting event, it is seen as about the same level of far-right scumfuckery as the yank confederate flag
and i live in one of the poorest parts of the country
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i'm talking about the flag to be clear
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Imagine calling the Confederates Yankees
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all americans are yanks :shrug-outta-hecks:
They literally seceded and thus, weren't Americans
What, is there some kind of crippling shortage of vocabulary for racists in your country?
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the only people who care about the american definition are yanks
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:farquaad-point: yank
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Yes, and that was during the period of time the other poster was referring to
It's just funny how Euros constantly call us morons for not knowing history and yet suddenly someone can come up with a hilarious misnomer like "Confederate Yankee" and they thinks they're the one that's right.
You see, the thing is that the English flag isn't actually used for anything other than sports. The Union Jack is used as the flag of the country, because the country is the United Kingdom.
This is what creates the unique usage of the English flag by racists.
This isn't something that is just an "internet forum" thing either. This is in the mainstream discussion regularly, year after year after year.
Here's a bunch of racists talking down a black man raising issues about this topic. Reminder that Farage is known to have drawn the National Front logo on all his schoolbooks in school so his reference to them in argument here is telling.
And we don't just have this discussion about the English flag, but the Union Jack too
I'm fucking bored of it to be honest I could dig up something that refers to this discussion year after year after year. But it is what it is...
EDIT: Fuck it here's another for you