not really seeing arguments in this thread i'm just seeing a bunch of straight dudes failing to deal with their religious guilt and failing to observe that nonexploitative porn exists :shrug-outta-hecks:
question: if I pay an artist to draw a picture of anubis with his dick out, who is getting exploited here, egyptologists?
Studies are beginning to be done and it’s clearly an addiction.
could you care to link those studies? because both of the threads you link just have dudes saying that porn is "poison to your body" and "disgusting stuff", which I don't see how you get to that conclusion materially
Regarding studies, a quick search will bring up a plethora
so provide one if it's so easy to find, don't just say "do your own research" and post threads of guilty straight men saying "I would NEVER do to a woman the shit i’m into" while posting NoFap self-help books.
the reason why anti-porn usually falls into right-wing pipeline is because it's inherently a right-wing ideology entrenched in religious guilt. Nobody is getting meaningfully hurt or exploited when someone posts erotic fiction of having gay sex with an argonian on AO3, that's like saying films are inherently exploitative and we should not watch them when home movies exist, that's like saying eating is inherently exploitative and harmful when a vegan diet exists
you're projecting your mainstream and straight-centric experience onto the entirety of porn, which isn't inherently any more exploitative or addictive than video games or consuming any other form of media, which is why you haven't provided any studies showing otherwise
You assume things which you don’t know about me, for one.
I definitely didn't assume a dude telling me that I'm exploiting women when I jack it to gay furry porn lmao
All addictions work on the same principle, hijacking the pleasure system of our brains.
cool, if all addictions work on the same principle and you can't provide a single study about how porn is uniquely bad in this regard, use this energy to complain about the zoomers playing video games instead of wasting your time acting like a religious crank in a queer space
i wish lemmygrad had a pronoun system so I could tell if they're dudes, but you're right, the poster that said "I quit consuming porn once I realized that I was doing it as a form of escapism. I really do not recommend ever consuming it as it produces a crooked conception of women, making you see them as mere objects of gratification instead of actual human beings." might not be a straight dude, "I would NEVER do to a woman the shit i’m into, niche porn sites are the only places where i can find that kind of stuff while also being able to lie to myself by saying “this is ok because i am not actually doing it”." might not be a straight dude either
you don't have to believe in the theology to have beliefs influenced by a religious culture. everyone knows pornography can meet criteria for individuals' behavioral problems, but there is no credible proof for pornography's unique and exceptional ability to inspire such. if all men watch porn, and all men treat women poorly does that mean its porn's fault? or maybe we live in a misogynistic culture whose media production reflects that?
scapegoating a certain kind of media production & consumption for a wide range of structural problems with way more consequential antagonists is missing the target. women's liberation is not a personal moral struggle between men & skinflicks, or men and prostitution for our historical analogue---'progressives' banning prostitution to 'help women' put millions of people in jail, underground, and empowered abuse. how about we give porn performers the workplace safety & economic security to decide for themselves what form the industry takes/should it exist?
This isn’t an argument made by religious people. If you don’t think it fits the bill for behavioral addiction then good for you, but for many it really tripped off their lives. Kids messing up their brains because of what they’ve been exposed on the television doesn’t seem exactly what one would call healthy. Plenty of men are addicted to it, double blind studies weren’t possible because researchers couldn’t find men who didn’t watch TV. Obviously, you’re free to partake in the industry and all, but it’s one of the most exploiting ones out there. It has had an impact on men’s view on women and has objectified them further, not to speak of minorities. It has been only allowed to proliferate because of the alienation present in late capitalist societies.
The evidence that pornography is addictive ranges from very weak to blatant religious propaganda.
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not really seeing arguments in this thread i'm just seeing a bunch of straight dudes failing to deal with their religious guilt and failing to observe that nonexploitative porn exists :shrug-outta-hecks:
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question: if I pay an artist to draw a picture of anubis with his dick out, who is getting exploited here, egyptologists?
could you care to link those studies? because both of the threads you link just have dudes saying that porn is "poison to your body" and "disgusting stuff", which I don't see how you get to that conclusion materially
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so provide one if it's so easy to find, don't just say "do your own research" and post threads of guilty straight men saying "I would NEVER do to a woman the shit i’m into" while posting NoFap self-help books.
the reason why anti-porn usually falls into right-wing pipeline is because it's inherently a right-wing ideology entrenched in religious guilt. Nobody is getting meaningfully hurt or exploited when someone posts erotic fiction of having gay sex with an argonian on AO3, that's like saying films are inherently exploitative and we should not watch them when home movies exist, that's like saying eating is inherently exploitative and harmful when a vegan diet exists
you're projecting your mainstream and straight-centric experience onto the entirety of porn, which isn't inherently any more exploitative or addictive than video games or consuming any other form of media, which is why you haven't provided any studies showing otherwise
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I definitely didn't assume a dude telling me that I'm exploiting women when I jack it to gay furry porn lmao
cool, if all addictions work on the same principle and you can't provide a single study about how porn is uniquely bad in this regard, use this energy to complain about the zoomers playing video games instead of wasting your time acting like a religious crank in a queer space
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i wish lemmygrad had a pronoun system so I could tell if they're dudes, but you're right, the poster that said "I quit consuming porn once I realized that I was doing it as a form of escapism. I really do not recommend ever consuming it as it produces a crooked conception of women, making you see them as mere objects of gratification instead of actual human beings." might not be a straight dude, "I would NEVER do to a woman the shit i’m into, niche porn sites are the only places where i can find that kind of stuff while also being able to lie to myself by saying “this is ok because i am not actually doing it”." might not be a straight dude either
now hand me that study, pretty please?
halfway to religious weirdos just with the unproven assumption its 'addictive' and inherently ethically damaging to gaze upon.
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prove it.
prove it. 'not being able to' do a study is not evidence.
prove it.
you're expecting me to take these as fact on faith but this is totally not influenced by religious moralism :lenin-sure:
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today i learned watching animated beastars porn of two furry dudes fucking makes me act misogynistic :hexbear-gay-pride:
sorry ladies :bawllin-sad: that wolf man got me acting up fr
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you don't have to believe in the theology to have beliefs influenced by a religious culture. everyone knows pornography can meet criteria for individuals' behavioral problems, but there is no credible proof for pornography's unique and exceptional ability to inspire such. if all men watch porn, and all men treat women poorly does that mean its porn's fault? or maybe we live in a misogynistic culture whose media production reflects that?
scapegoating a certain kind of media production & consumption for a wide range of structural problems with way more consequential antagonists is missing the target. women's liberation is not a personal moral struggle between men & skinflicks, or men and prostitution for our historical analogue---'progressives' banning prostitution to 'help women' put millions of people in jail, underground, and empowered abuse. how about we give porn performers the workplace safety & economic security to decide for themselves what form the industry takes/should it exist?