Is it just me or are things getting worse, faster, in the UK. It really seems like there's not a day without another crisis piling on the ones already there. We all knew it was going to have systems collapse at some point, but is the UK in a rapid cascade failure already?
The UK left was bolstered very heavily by Corbyn's leadership of the labour party. And then his losses and subsequent kick from the party and the mass purges carried out by Starmer have driven the left into very heavily organising through non-electoral means.
The quantity of what is occurring is a result of the alienation of the left from the labour party. In my opinion the left's participation in the labour party was functioning as a cork on the bottle.
If the left had been kept in labour and Starmer's approach had been conciliatory with us then I genuinely believe less of this would be happening as efforts would be going into party stuff instead.
I had a pretty Starmerite former MP who knows I think their politics are dogshit practically begging me for my thoughts at length on how to get former members and especially young left people on board again, at the football this weekend.
They might be confident they'll beat the Tories next time round just by being the alternate party, but at least some of the party seem to be bricking it a bit over membership and local organising in particular. This former MP had been out canvassing for the local elections and told me they'd never seen less people volunteer to canvas locally and they couldn't even get some active members to be seen on the doorstep.
I think the top of the party is thrilled with being an even more useless version of the US Democrats but lots of people in places that don't get lots of support from the top are getting worried about how many even soft-left people have just backed away from Labour affiliation to organise with unions in particular, but also just in general.
Which is an undoubtedly good thing as far as I'm concerned.
I had a pretty Starmerite former MP who knows I think their politics are dogshit practically begging me for my thoughts at length on how to get former members and especially young left people on board again, at the football this weekend.
Tell him that all the zoomers at /r/greenandpleasant will start promoting voting for them when he says Stalin wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be. :stalin-approval:
Maybe also actually tell people how you're going to improve their fucking lives instead of how you're going to very obviously privatise the fuck out of the NHS even more than the tories, and fuck everyone's wages more than ever. It's not fucking hard to authentically offer an alternative that will improve people's lives? Everyone sees straight through them. They're literally transparent. Eat my ass.
Everyone sees these ghouls as being to the right of the bloody tories and they can't understand it despite the fact that they're campaigning like they're the fucking EDL. It's unbelievable that they can't see this obvious shit for themselves.
Also that they campaign on economics that middle-aged and 30+ people are getting fucking decimated by, while their campaigning on social issues is the sort of hard right frothing boomer shit that most people under 30 won't even fucking tolerate, never mind support. It's almost perfectly pitched to maybe win one election against this Tory government before rapidly making them fucking irrelevant with everyone under 70 by the next time they fight an election.
Pretty much all my conversations with them over the last five years have been them positing something inane about messaging and me repeating 'material conditions' again and again.
My hope is things will pick up once the Americans get tired of making us spend all our money on Ukraine. That war and the inflation from funding it has really fucked the UK over.
Yes, that would be hilarious watching the US subject Britain to shock therapy so wall street could loot the corpse that Sunak wants to keep on life support so he and his CoL friends can continue to suck it's blood.
It's super funny to read articles asking "why is the US economy doing so good despite the world turmoil?" Right in the midst of the open-air shock therapy and monetary policy warfare being directed at Europe, which is very visibly draining wealth from the continent.
I can't understand how some of these ghouls would even be contemplating it.
Even among older people Liz Truss is utterly demonised. She wiped thousands off of even very very small pensions that my family members have, I'm imagining some of the people out there with larger pensions lost tens of thousands because of her.
There's just no chance. It's fucking mind boggling they would even be thinking it.
They're so wildly out of touch though that I actually find it difficult to see how it's even possible to be that far out of touch. It's a level of out of touch and in their own world that feels utterly alien to me.
well if it helps they're really dumb and deeply ideologically commited to the position that Liz Truss's ideas work. They aren't going to let anything so communist as reality get in the way of these beliefs
Is it just me or are things getting worse, faster, in the UK. It really seems like there's not a day without another crisis piling on the ones already there. We all knew it was going to have systems collapse at some point, but is the UK in a rapid cascade failure already?
The UK left was bolstered very heavily by Corbyn's leadership of the labour party. And then his losses and subsequent kick from the party and the mass purges carried out by Starmer have driven the left into very heavily organising through non-electoral means.
The quantity of what is occurring is a result of the alienation of the left from the labour party. In my opinion the left's participation in the labour party was functioning as a cork on the bottle.
If the left had been kept in labour and Starmer's approach had been conciliatory with us then I genuinely believe less of this would be happening as efforts would be going into party stuff instead.
I had a pretty Starmerite former MP who knows I think their politics are dogshit practically begging me for my thoughts at length on how to get former members and especially young left people on board again, at the football this weekend.
They might be confident they'll beat the Tories next time round just by being the alternate party, but at least some of the party seem to be bricking it a bit over membership and local organising in particular. This former MP had been out canvassing for the local elections and told me they'd never seen less people volunteer to canvas locally and they couldn't even get some active members to be seen on the doorstep.
I think the top of the party is thrilled with being an even more useless version of the US Democrats but lots of people in places that don't get lots of support from the top are getting worried about how many even soft-left people have just backed away from Labour affiliation to organise with unions in particular, but also just in general.
Which is an undoubtedly good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Tell him that all the zoomers at /r/greenandpleasant will start promoting voting for them when he says Stalin wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be. :stalin-approval:
Maybe also actually tell people how you're going to improve their fucking lives instead of how you're going to very obviously privatise the fuck out of the NHS even more than the tories, and fuck everyone's wages more than ever. It's not fucking hard to authentically offer an alternative that will improve people's lives? Everyone sees straight through them. They're literally transparent. Eat my ass.
Everyone sees these ghouls as being to the right of the bloody tories and they can't understand it despite the fact that they're campaigning like they're the fucking EDL. It's unbelievable that they can't see this obvious shit for themselves.
Yeah this was basically my point.
Also that they campaign on economics that middle-aged and 30+ people are getting fucking decimated by, while their campaigning on social issues is the sort of hard right frothing boomer shit that most people under 30 won't even fucking tolerate, never mind support. It's almost perfectly pitched to maybe win one election against this Tory government before rapidly making them fucking irrelevant with everyone under 70 by the next time they fight an election.
Pretty much all my conversations with them over the last five years have been them positing something inane about messaging and me repeating 'material conditions' again and again.
Also maybe being slightly, modestly less actively genocidal to trans people might help a little what with 1 in 5 Gen Z being LGBT.
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My hope is things will pick up once the Americans get tired of making us spend all our money on Ukraine. That war and the inflation from funding it has really fucked the UK over.
although apparently the Americans want Liz Truss back which to be fair and balanced if the Americans coup Sunak for being too leftwing it would be funny
Yes, that would be hilarious watching the US subject Britain to shock therapy so wall street could loot the corpse that Sunak wants to keep on life support so he and his CoL friends can continue to suck it's blood.
That is exactly what is happening already. It's happening to most of Europe, just hitting the UK hardest atm
It's super funny to read articles asking "why is the US economy doing so good despite the world turmoil?" Right in the midst of the open-air shock therapy and monetary policy warfare being directed at Europe, which is very visibly draining wealth from the continent.
Tbh it would mainly be funny in a dark I've just given up now kind of way. But Liz Truss being back would also be funny
also I don't think these people will give us the dignity of wanting to destroy us they're just bone stupid
Perhaps they'll settle on the compromise candidate, Boris Johnson
Johnson would be far better than Truss. He's about as bad as Sunak. Massive adulterer but I'm not married to him
There is absolutely zero chance that Truss is reinstated. Less than zero.
It would kill the tory party. They would become a laughing stock.
yeah that isn't happening. It would just be funny if it did
I can't understand how some of these ghouls would even be contemplating it.
Even among older people Liz Truss is utterly demonised. She wiped thousands off of even very very small pensions that my family members have, I'm imagining some of the people out there with larger pensions lost tens of thousands because of her.
There's just no chance. It's fucking mind boggling they would even be thinking it.
It seems to be a position held among the dregs of the tory party and weird american far right people. Basically it's not happening
They're so wildly out of touch though that I actually find it difficult to see how it's even possible to be that far out of touch. It's a level of out of touch and in their own world that feels utterly alien to me.
well if it helps they're really dumb and deeply ideologically commited to the position that Liz Truss's ideas work. They aren't going to let anything so communist as reality get in the way of these beliefs
Maybe I have too much faith in humanity and it is the fact that they're really really dumb that is getting in the way of me understanding this.
I never thought I'd live to see a Brexonance Cascade, let alone create one
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You're not the only one. Though I don't think this news in particular is that indicitive of the collapse? More the general inflation stuff etc