The UK left was bolstered very heavily by Corbyn's leadership of the labour party. And then his losses and subsequent kick from the party and the mass purges carried out by Starmer have driven the left into very heavily organising through non-electoral means.
The quantity of what is occurring is a result of the alienation of the left from the labour party. In my opinion the left's participation in the labour party was functioning as a cork on the bottle.
If the left had been kept in labour and Starmer's approach had been conciliatory with us then I genuinely believe less of this would be happening as efforts would be going into party stuff instead.
I had a pretty Starmerite former MP who knows I think their politics are dogshit practically begging me for my thoughts at length on how to get former members and especially young left people on board again, at the football this weekend.
They might be confident they'll beat the Tories next time round just by being the alternate party, but at least some of the party seem to be bricking it a bit over membership and local organising in particular. This former MP had been out canvassing for the local elections and told me they'd never seen less people volunteer to canvas locally and they couldn't even get some active members to be seen on the doorstep.
I think the top of the party is thrilled with being an even more useless version of the US Democrats but lots of people in places that don't get lots of support from the top are getting worried about how many even soft-left people have just backed away from Labour affiliation to organise with unions in particular, but also just in general.
Which is an undoubtedly good thing as far as I'm concerned.
I had a pretty Starmerite former MP who knows I think their politics are dogshit practically begging me for my thoughts at length on how to get former members and especially young left people on board again, at the football this weekend.
Tell him that all the zoomers at /r/greenandpleasant will start promoting voting for them when he says Stalin wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be. :stalin-approval:
Maybe also actually tell people how you're going to improve their fucking lives instead of how you're going to very obviously privatise the fuck out of the NHS even more than the tories, and fuck everyone's wages more than ever. It's not fucking hard to authentically offer an alternative that will improve people's lives? Everyone sees straight through them. They're literally transparent. Eat my ass.
Everyone sees these ghouls as being to the right of the bloody tories and they can't understand it despite the fact that they're campaigning like they're the fucking EDL. It's unbelievable that they can't see this obvious shit for themselves.
Also that they campaign on economics that middle-aged and 30+ people are getting fucking decimated by, while their campaigning on social issues is the sort of hard right frothing boomer shit that most people under 30 won't even fucking tolerate, never mind support. It's almost perfectly pitched to maybe win one election against this Tory government before rapidly making them fucking irrelevant with everyone under 70 by the next time they fight an election.
Pretty much all my conversations with them over the last five years have been them positing something inane about messaging and me repeating 'material conditions' again and again.
The UK left was bolstered very heavily by Corbyn's leadership of the labour party. And then his losses and subsequent kick from the party and the mass purges carried out by Starmer have driven the left into very heavily organising through non-electoral means.
The quantity of what is occurring is a result of the alienation of the left from the labour party. In my opinion the left's participation in the labour party was functioning as a cork on the bottle.
If the left had been kept in labour and Starmer's approach had been conciliatory with us then I genuinely believe less of this would be happening as efforts would be going into party stuff instead.
I had a pretty Starmerite former MP who knows I think their politics are dogshit practically begging me for my thoughts at length on how to get former members and especially young left people on board again, at the football this weekend.
They might be confident they'll beat the Tories next time round just by being the alternate party, but at least some of the party seem to be bricking it a bit over membership and local organising in particular. This former MP had been out canvassing for the local elections and told me they'd never seen less people volunteer to canvas locally and they couldn't even get some active members to be seen on the doorstep.
I think the top of the party is thrilled with being an even more useless version of the US Democrats but lots of people in places that don't get lots of support from the top are getting worried about how many even soft-left people have just backed away from Labour affiliation to organise with unions in particular, but also just in general.
Which is an undoubtedly good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Tell him that all the zoomers at /r/greenandpleasant will start promoting voting for them when he says Stalin wasn't as bad as he's been made out to be. :stalin-approval:
Maybe also actually tell people how you're going to improve their fucking lives instead of how you're going to very obviously privatise the fuck out of the NHS even more than the tories, and fuck everyone's wages more than ever. It's not fucking hard to authentically offer an alternative that will improve people's lives? Everyone sees straight through them. They're literally transparent. Eat my ass.
Everyone sees these ghouls as being to the right of the bloody tories and they can't understand it despite the fact that they're campaigning like they're the fucking EDL. It's unbelievable that they can't see this obvious shit for themselves.
Yeah this was basically my point.
Also that they campaign on economics that middle-aged and 30+ people are getting fucking decimated by, while their campaigning on social issues is the sort of hard right frothing boomer shit that most people under 30 won't even fucking tolerate, never mind support. It's almost perfectly pitched to maybe win one election against this Tory government before rapidly making them fucking irrelevant with everyone under 70 by the next time they fight an election.
Pretty much all my conversations with them over the last five years have been them positing something inane about messaging and me repeating 'material conditions' again and again.
Also maybe being slightly, modestly less actively genocidal to trans people might help a little what with 1 in 5 Gen Z being LGBT.
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