funny article but I love that this is their example
I just want to play Steam games, but that shit is impossible now. Fuck you, Donnie.
Valve has put a lot of R&D into making this literally the easiest thing to do on Linux. With most games it's literally plug and play.
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Ubuntu, Kali Linux, Centox, Arch Linux, Debian. What’s the difference between all these? Nothing really. There’s just so many of them to confuse and divide the nerds who download them. And they love it. Look at them.
I legitimately would have bought a Steam machine instead of my current computer if they hadn't stopped making them. I loved the concept but the timing was just all wrong, since they came out when the PC I had was fine and I didn't want to spend on a new one until I had to.
Never heard of it before so I guess not. I'll tinker around a bit and see if it changes anything. Thanks.
Still weird that a bunch of games that should work natively on linux won't run on Arch but do on Manjaro. I've had different problems with Xcom 2, Shadowrun and Tales of Maj'eyal.
Edit: wow, Shadowrun works now. All I did was follow some instructions by GE. The game isn't even run through Wine, so I have no idea what I did.
they forked the existing project wine and submit patches back to it. they didn't build it from scratch. the wine project is a herculean feat of engineering and the more I learn about it, the more shocked I am that it exists. Microsoft implemented the inverse translation layer in WSL2, which allows linux programs to run in windows - with a major caveat: wine executes native windows binaries whereas WSL still requires recompiling executables into a compatible format (last I checked anyways).
I think so far most of it has gotten upstreamed. at least, I can play most I try (not very many, granted... rarely in the mood) with plain wine. but my understanding from the project is that Valve tries to upstream fixes once they're deemed reliable enough and as long as they don't pose problems for other applications.
Admittedly for their specific use case proton goes way beyond wine
Actually no; proton is almost entirely wine. It's really like 90% the community (wine contributors over a span of three decades), 8% a german developer on his free time (the one that implemented dxvk, which is 99% of the magic in proton), and like 2% valve (and mostly because they started to pay said german dev).
This is the culmination of 30 years of community contributions, almost entirely by volunteers, without profit motive. Valve did very little beyond adding a bubblewrap-based sandbox to improve reliability a bit - though they did speed up things those past few years, admittedly.
funny article but I love that this is their example
Valve has put a lot of R&D into making this literally the easiest thing to do on Linux. With most games it's literally plug and play.
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I like to believe it's because everyone at Valve are Linux weirdos that just really really wanted games to actually work on their OS.
Of course the real answer is the steam deck. Which, incidentally, is my best purchase in the last 12 months.
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I legitimately would have bought a Steam machine instead of my current computer if they hadn't stopped making them. I loved the concept but the timing was just all wrong, since they came out when the PC I had was fine and I didn't want to spend on a new one until I had to.
Speaking of differences, for some reason a bunch of my games that work on Manjaro don't work on Arch, with or without proton :cat-confused:
Are you out of wine dependency hell on your arch install?
Never heard of it before so I guess not. I'll tinker around a bit and see if it changes anything. Thanks.
Still weird that a bunch of games that should work natively on linux won't run on Arch but do on Manjaro. I've had different problems with Xcom 2, Shadowrun and Tales of Maj'eyal.
Edit: wow, Shadowrun works now. All I did was follow some instructions by GE. The game isn't even run through Wine, so I have no idea what I did.
what's proton?
Steam made a compatibility layer that makes Windows games work better on Linux. Lots of games that aren't made for Linux run great with it.
they forked the existing project wine and submit patches back to it. they didn't build it from scratch. the wine project is a herculean feat of engineering and the more I learn about it, the more shocked I am that it exists. Microsoft implemented the inverse translation layer in WSL2, which allows linux programs to run in windows - with a major caveat: wine executes native windows binaries whereas WSL still requires recompiling executables into a compatible format (last I checked anyways).
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I think so far most of it has gotten upstreamed. at least, I can play most I try (not very many, granted... rarely in the mood) with plain wine. but my understanding from the project is that Valve tries to upstream fixes once they're deemed reliable enough and as long as they don't pose problems for other applications.
Actually no; proton is almost entirely wine. It's really like 90% the community (wine contributors over a span of three decades), 8% a german developer on his free time (the one that implemented dxvk, which is 99% of the magic in proton), and like 2% valve (and mostly because they started to pay said german dev).
This is the culmination of 30 years of community contributions, almost entirely by volunteers, without profit motive. Valve did very little beyond adding a bubblewrap-based sandbox to improve reliability a bit - though they did speed up things those past few years, admittedly.
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