Part 1: https://mander.xyz/post/13579080
I like the sentiment, but there are non-peer reviewed papers that are real science. Politics and funding are real things, and there is a bit of gatekeeping here, which isn't really good IMHO.
Also, reproducibility is a sticky subject, especially with immoral experiments (which can still be the product of science, however unsavory), or experiments for which there are only one apparatus in the world (e.g., some particle physics).
I am a bit worried the response to this here is not a unified everyone's an asshole in this screenshot.
Academic publishing is in a very sorry state for a long time by now. A lot of research that is published is not reproducible. A lot of actual research is also in fact never published like that because companies base their products on it and publish those results only as patents.
So just by trying to be smug and oppose the Muskie you show yourself to be an idiot. Well done.
It's worth saying that ml is in a very different position to most of academic publishing.
All of the serious journals are free to publish and fully open access and a significant amount of publication includes enough code that things are mostly replicable. GitHub has done wonders for our field. Also many tech companies use publications as an indication of prestige and go out of their way to publish stuff.
We're still drowning in too many papers and 95% of everything is shit, but that's every field really. Talking to musk on twitter is the not right place for a nuanced discussion about publication.
Fuck, I really hate to agree with Elon on anything, but that is a ridiculous argument. LeCun must also really believe that trees only fall in the woods when someone is around to see it happen.
This person seems like an ass. Science is only when you publish peer reviewed papers. Ok so you're telling me Archimedes and Eratosthenes and al-Kwharzimi and Newton and everyone who figured shit out before the modern system of academia wasn't doing science? This is not a defense of
, to be clear. He should have his wealth confiscated and his companies nationalized at the minimum.All those people sent letters to each other bragging about their shit non stop what are you on about
I mean Newton thought alchemy was a real science. Apparently he wrote over a million words spread out over years on alchemy and conducted countless experiments, these papers were only found after his death.
I mean Newton thought alchemy was a real science.
I mean, alchemy did kind of hold all the cards regarding substances and their interactions prior to the development of modern chemistry.
God if you willfully ignore all context, you really got him.
I mean they're not wrong; do YOU know who invented the wheel?
Real science is trying random stuff until you get slightly better performance out of your model and then creating contrived explanations for why you think it worked
btw yann lecun is the head of meta ai so this is just a couple of rich dickheads having a slap fight
Lecun has massively contributed to the past decades of progress in machine learning with his fundamental research. He may have sold his soul to Meta, but his work is definitely very respected, he's not just another rich guy.
Sorry, but no. Science can be either trying out random stuff because there is no preexisting knowledge you could apply but you have something in mind you want to see what it does, sure. But science is also using the knowledge that's already out there to make something new of it. Translation of knowledge from different approaches into something that you are interested in.
Unless you went for a real scotsmen kind of joke and I missed it...
A lot of machine learning work is empirical so it was more a joke at the expense of oversimplifying the situation.
The part 1 when musk was like "that's nothing" to 40 publications per year. Lmao what a fucking dumbass.
Controversial opinion. If you really publish 40 papers per year you are not really a big part of the actual research. Just other people including you because politics and all you do, hopefully, is proofreading them.
Well somebody is about to find his Twitter account closed for a spurious reason.
What the fuck is LeCum thinking about? I work in academia and I couldn't give a shit about being remembered, I just want to live to fight another day like the next guy.
This feels like billionaire banter.
I'm too lazy to edit it, but you get the idea:
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Sorry popularity is evidence of correctness I don't make the rules
Imagine telling Yann LeCun what is and isn’t right when it comes to science
