Monsters live in dungeons, not political prisoners.
Ravenloft, a campaign setting written in 1983, contained a number of dungeons and dungeon-like settings with prisoners of the Evil Vampire Lord or his minions locked in its depths.
A number of early Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms modules had prison breaks of local rebels and persecuted people worked into their adventure paths. Again, this was stuff worked up 40 fucking years ago.
Adventurers go there for mass murder and robbery, not to liberate comrades.
A guy in a fur hat squaring off against a big red dragon is on the front cover of some of the earliest D&D material.
Didn't you just post quoting the example of whitebox OD&D?
A guy in a fur hat squaring off against a big red dragon is on the front cover of some of the earliest D&D material.
Dragons are a representation of the natural world rebelling against the excesses of humanity. Chaos fighting back against artificiality of "law and order".
Are we really stanning Smaug, right now?
I never thought of it that way, but burning a kingdom of greedy dwarves who chopped down whole forests to feed the fires so they could not just become rich (they were already rich) but to become slightly richer? OK fine. Critical support to Smaug and all the other dragons who went all Ramón Mercader on the lords in their castles.
Dragons are the natural world rebelling against the excesses of humanity.
The thousand-year-old mega-monster that periodically rides out to plunder the surplus value of native peoples is... the natural world? And it's... rebelling? Against feudal peasants?
You don't see any parallels between a heavily armored fire-belching monster that robs from the countryside and a 13th century robbery baron?
burning a kingdom of greedy dwarves who chopped down whole forests to feed the fires so they could not just become rich
The dwarves didn't chop down any forests. Smaug was the one who originally torched the Murkwood. And Smaug didn't stop dwarves from becoming bourgeoisie land owners. He looted their accumulated labor so he could sit on it and feel strong.
Critical support to Smaug and all the other dragons
Unironically doing Patriotic Socialism to own TTRPGs.
The thousand-year-old mega-monster that periodically rides out to plunder the surplus value of native peoples is… the natural world? And it’s… rebelling?
I see you're not familiar with the mythical history of what dragons are, or what they do.
The dwarves didn’t chop down any forests.
It's what dwarves do. They chop down trees and feed them to the fires to create wealth. Grower vs. maker. Why do you think they are in eternal conflict with elves? That's why Legoloas' and Gimli's friendship was so exceptional. It was Saruman's great crime...only he did it to an ancient forest that still had its ancient defenders. Bad move.
Ravenloft, a campaign setting written in 1983, contained a number of dungeons and dungeon-like settings with prisoners of the Evil Vampire Lord or his minions locked in its depths.
A number of early Dragonlance and Forgotten Realms modules had prison breaks of local rebels and persecuted people worked into their adventure paths. Again, this was stuff worked up 40 fucking years ago.
A guy in a fur hat squaring off against a big red dragon is on the front cover of some of the earliest D&D material.
Are we really stanning Smaug, right now?
Didn't you just post quoting the example of whitebox OD&D?
Dragons are a representation of the natural world rebelling against the excesses of humanity. Chaos fighting back against artificiality of "law and order".
I never thought of it that way, but burning a kingdom of greedy dwarves who chopped down whole forests to feed the fires so they could not just become rich (they were already rich) but to become slightly richer? OK fine. Critical support to Smaug and all the other dragons who went all Ramón Mercader on the lords in their castles.
The thousand-year-old mega-monster that periodically rides out to plunder the surplus value of native peoples is... the natural world? And it's... rebelling? Against feudal peasants?
You don't see any parallels between a heavily armored fire-belching monster that robs from the countryside and a 13th century robbery baron?
The dwarves didn't chop down any forests. Smaug was the one who originally torched the Murkwood. And Smaug didn't stop dwarves from becoming bourgeoisie land owners. He looted their accumulated labor so he could sit on it and feel strong.
Unironically doing Patriotic Socialism to own TTRPGs.
I see you're not familiar with the mythical history of what dragons are, or what they do.
It's what dwarves do. They chop down trees and feed them to the fires to create wealth. Grower vs. maker. Why do you think they are in eternal conflict with elves? That's why Legoloas' and Gimli's friendship was so exceptional. It was Saruman's great crime...only he did it to an ancient forest that still had its ancient defenders. Bad move.
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