“Communists” crying over dead occupation soldiers and fascists, equating fascists to those who resist genocide

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  • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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    5 months ago

    The working man has no country. From an orthodox marxist or left communist perspective it does actually make sense to say all countries are invalid and a pox on both their houses. They are, however, not doing that. They're condemning the individual casualties of the IDF while ignoring the mass murder of Palestinians.

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
      hexagon
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      5 months ago

      The working man had the Soviets, and the loss of those nations has resulted in a massive global loss of worker rights and power. The labor movement has never been stronger than when the USSR was at its zenith, and it has never been weaker than after its destruction.

      These ultras can yap all the twisted and contorted “theory” they like, but if at the end of the day their conclusion of the Cold War was “both sides are the same, neither should be supported” then they are just in flat denial of reality and their ideas are laughably naive. The USSR was better. Even if it doesn’t fit their ideal definition of socialism exactly it was better than the imperialist west, and their failure to agree to that makes them extremely suspect

      • theposterformerlyknownasgood
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        5 months ago

        The working man had the Soviets,

        The working man has no country is from the communist manifesto. It is from a fairly basic section about how the communists/workers owes no allegiance to any particular country or nationality, but only to each other across the entire world.

        It is from this principle that Lenin derived his thoughts about ww1.

        • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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          5 months ago

          During the time if the manifesto, there were no successful examples of socialism. After the establishment of the ussr, this changes. The strongest force of revolution becomes the Republic of the Soviets.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
          hexagon
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          5 months ago

          Which was written before the revolution… in which the working man gained a country

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
              hexagon
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              5 months ago

              other socialist nations still exist, and it's our duty to oppose attacks against them by capitalist nations. In addition, it's our revolutionary defeatist duty to first and foremost oppose our own empire and nation. The "both sides" aloof and above it all position of ultras who flatten everything is fundamentally wrong. To espouse such a flattening of everything is nihilism and anti-communist and counter revolutionary. They don't sit above history, they reside within it. They don't sit in a nationless throne atop of the world, they live as workers in the imperial core.