I mean hopefully it can be delayed by a year or two until I can get SRS and move to Seattle and integrate into some leftist networks. But we're all just stuck in this limbo of waiting for the evil empire to implode and it's still tottering along, smashing thousands of lives daily. I'm not romanticizing the Cool Zone, I'm just tired of being kept on the edge - waiting, waiting. Let's just get it the fuck over with

  • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Predictions that the US will balkanize on the model of Europeans states seems strange to me, given that there isn't the kind of ethnic or national distinctions between states that is as ideologically powerful as those that lead to wars in Europe between different ethnic, national or religious groups.

    Also, barring like actual societal collapse, I don't see the yankie powers that be actually allowing that to happen. The deep-state and executive would surely declare a national emergency before they let states actually leave the union, it seems to me. An actual US civil war strikes me as so horrifically destructive at this point that it's difficult to imagine, but perhaps that's just the concrete form that the death of global imperialist capitalism would have to take, so a more concrete version of capitalist realism.

    I do think that there's a kind of religiously fetishistic yearning for apocalypse that the modern left displays where we just want the damn nuclear and eugenistic wars to happen already, which i'm also guilty of, but on reflection I can't not see it as romanticization, given the actual unimaginable horror and brutality that will inevitably be involved. People, far-left included, are not going to like it when society breaks apart.

    • AbbysMuscles [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      I do think that there’s a kind of religiously fetishistic yearning for apocalypse that the modern left displays where we just want the damn nuclear and eugenistic wars to happen already, which i’m also guilty of, but on reflection I can’t not see it as romanticization, given the actual unimaginable horror and brutality that will inevitably be involved. People, far-left included, are not going to like it when society breaks apart.

      I truly don't think I'm romanticizing it. Maybe the aftermath in my most wild daydreams, but my viewpoint is a bit different. I view The Cool Zone as an inevitability. Nothing you or I or anyone else will do will change that. If that's the case, why wait? This slow grind down is torture

      • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        If that’s the case, why wait

        I'd like to maximize the closest to bearable civilization part of my kid's childhood, and the same for my nephew. I have several other family members I love who might not survive "the cool zone" and I want them to have as long and fulfilling life as possible.

        I kind of have trouble understanding how it's baffling that just because our society is horrible and progressing toward more horror, people might prefer that the worst possible outcome not immediately happen?

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Predictions that the US will balkanize on the model of Europeans states seems strange to me, given that there isn’t the kind of ethnic or national distinctions between states that is as ideologically powerful as those that lead to wars in Europe between different ethnic, national or religious groups.

      My impression is different, mainly it will be caused by climate change not just the ideological/political differences.

      We saw the attacks on the power grid right? We saw the Texas snowstorm. For me putting 1+1 together is very simple. The right wing states will face some severe climate disasters. The state can't and perhaps isn't even willing to do what is actualy necessary to save lives.

      You can't solve climate disasters with money, giving people checks. So far this is literaly the only thing the US can do. I strongly believe COVID was litmus test for not just the US, but the whole capitalist world and they failed, obviously this is preaching to the choir here too.

      But for the US specificaly, COVID relief was money instead of actually enforcing measures to save lives and the whole "essential workers" shit was just libs spitting on the face of the working class.

      So what is the collapse scenario? A series of yearly climate catastrophes, the government wont help, chuds will be forced to migrate and those that don't will retaliate against the "government" by attacking liberal cities and infrastructure. That will give the government a reason to put troops on the ground and then you'll have the beginning of a conflict, chuds will feel the government is more willing to protect the major "liberal" cities while the poor/rural areas are devastated by climate change.

      Of course I could be wrong, but point is I don't see any of this based on EU style politics/cultural differences at all.