Such a supremely dumb religion. If you’re ever bored, look into its history and be completely dumbfounded by the fact that people believe this shit in 2023.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    1 year ago

    At least this one isn’t asserting a historical claim or invalidating anyone’s identity.

    Idk if you can seriously make the claim that the Taipei Rebellion never hurt nobody.

    They certainly invalidated a few identities as they converted people at sword point (and then formed schisms and started re-converting each other at sword point).

    Even then, I'm hard pressed to argue what they do was strictly wrong. It just wasn't this liberalish pretending at egalitarianism. The Rebels came to rule, not to simply make space for their new beliefs. At some point, Mormon leadership understands the need to grasp political power if they want to live in their ideal world.

    • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Idk if you can seriously make the claim that the Taipei Rebellion never hurt nobody.

      I wasn't making a claim about the violence of the rebellion itself.

      I was making a claim about the damage caused by "retconning history" when "there are Chinese Christians who insist Jesus’s brother came to liberate East Asia."

      That's not a retcon in the same way the others are and isn't invalidating the history or identity of people like when you claim someone isn't a real Jew or ancient aliens built everything.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        1 year ago

        the damage caused by “retconning history” when “there are Chinese Christians who insist Jesus’s brother came to liberate East Asia.”

        Was the convert-or-die zealotry of the adherents. It wasn't hurt feelings. They were literally stabbing you if you disagreed.

        That’s not a retcon in the same way the others are and isn’t invalidating the history or identity of people like when you claim someone isn’t a real Jew or ancient aliens built everything.

        Its exactly the same. They all did the same stuff. They were so eager to fanfic local histories to accommodate the new faith that they ran straight over each others toes and started killing one another over claims of heresy. It was Protestantism all over again.

        • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          They were so eager to fanfic local histories to accommodate the new faith that they ran straight over each others toes and started killing one another over claims of heresy. It was Protestantism all over again

          This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

          I get what you mean now analogizing Hong and the Heavenly Kingdom with Smith and Mormonism.

          Was the convert-or-die zealotry of the adherents. It wasn’t hurt feelings. They were literally stabbing you if you disagreed.

          I think I got tripped over the frames of reference/verb tense. I was taking the initial frame of reference to be primarily a modern Chinese Christian (who oddly upholds Hong Xiuquan, but probably isn't stabbing anyone), rather than actual 19th century people who definitely did a lot of violence.