If insects are off the table then so are fruits and vegetables tbh. Mushrooms are extremely complex organisms that rival lower-level animals but no one cares if you eat those.
After you get to fish, the entire argument for not eating certain animals just falls apart. Let alone things like insects.
I think you are saying that insects and plants are morally equivalent, though?
That evidence you're citing is a popsci blog that grasses respond to predation of other grasses? Fuck me dead
For the record, I don't really care about the moral impact of doing the animal agriculture holocaust to insects, but I do care about people with absolutely no qualification or ability to read a couple journal articles via sci-hub making ridiculous claims, like I think you did earlier in this thread comparing mushrooms to fish.
Well, I suppose like all things it is a topic of debate. Fish intelligence is still very contested afaik, since it's difficult to evaluate the intelligence of organisms who sense and interact with the world in such a different way from us. Honestly I think cephalopod research has only gotten as far as it has because manual dexterity and color are some of the easiest things for humans to understand. For a fish that doesn't have prehensile appendages and doesn't interact with color in an obviously complex way? It's hard to think of where to start.
The distinction between plants and animals does seem more and more arbitrary as we learn more about how plants interact with the world. Like I'm willing to entertain arguments that some plants are capable of communication and problem solving but do it in a way that is so alien to us, and on a much slower time scale, so we don't recognize any kinship with them.
Most fruits literally are designed to be eaten as a part of the plant's life cycle.
If you're going to make this argument, at least do what the Jains do and make a distinction between plant foods that you can eat without killing the plant, and ones for which you cannot.
I don't think they are able to feel in the manner that even less intelligent lizards probably can.
If insects are off the table then so are fruits and vegetables tbh. Mushrooms are extremely complex organisms that rival lower-level animals but no one cares if you eat those.
After you get to fish, the entire argument for not eating certain animals just falls apart. Let alone things like insects.
Jesus fucking christ not this carnist shit again
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Grass does not feel pain dummy
Cant believe this nonsense gets propagated on hexbear.net
I think you are saying that insects and plants are morally equivalent, though?
That evidence you're citing is a popsci blog that grasses respond to predation of other grasses? Fuck me dead
For the record, I don't really care about the moral impact of doing the animal agriculture holocaust to insects, but I do care about people with absolutely no qualification or ability to read a couple journal articles via sci-hub making ridiculous claims, like I think you did earlier in this thread comparing mushrooms to fish.
Well, I suppose like all things it is a topic of debate. Fish intelligence is still very contested afaik, since it's difficult to evaluate the intelligence of organisms who sense and interact with the world in such a different way from us. Honestly I think cephalopod research has only gotten as far as it has because manual dexterity and color are some of the easiest things for humans to understand. For a fish that doesn't have prehensile appendages and doesn't interact with color in an obviously complex way? It's hard to think of where to start.
The distinction between plants and animals does seem more and more arbitrary as we learn more about how plants interact with the world. Like I'm willing to entertain arguments that some plants are capable of communication and problem solving but do it in a way that is so alien to us, and on a much slower time scale, so we don't recognize any kinship with them.
Most fruits literally are designed to be eaten as a part of the plant's life cycle.
If you're going to make this argument, at least do what the Jains do and make a distinction between plant foods that you can eat without killing the plant, and ones for which you cannot.
god i cant fucking stand carnists. the mental gymnastics surely must be as exhausting for you as they are for normal people?