Get out your bingo cards for this one. I stopped after these five gave me an immediate win:

  • Bellingcat

  • "Ukraine is extra anti-nazi because they know what it's like to be occupied by them"

  • "But also they don't know these are nazi symbols"

  • "And pointing them out is Russian propaganda"

  • "And the idea that they're really just nazis like they say they are is nazi propaganda"

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  • culpritus [any]
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    1 year ago

    How braindead is the western world media?

    Questions over how to interpret such symbols are as divisive as they are persistent, and not just in Ukraine. In the American South, some have insisted that today, the Confederate flag symbolizes pride, not its history of racism and secession. The swastika was an important Hindu symbol before it was co-opted by the Nazis.

    :john-brown:

    In April, Ukraine’s Defense Ministry posted a photograph on its Twitter account of a soldier wearing a patch featuring a skull and crossbones known as the Totenkopf, or Death’s Head. The specific symbol in the picture was made notorious by a Nazi unit that committed war crimes and guarded concentration camps during World War II.

    The patch in the photograph sets the Totenkopf atop a Ukrainian flag with a small No. 6 below. That patch is the official merchandise of Death in June, a British neo-folk band that the Southern Poverty Law Center has said produces “hate speech” that “exploits themes and images of fascism and Nazism.”

    The Anti-Defamation League considers the Totenkopf “a common hate symbol.” But Jake Hyman, a spokesperson for the group, said it was impossible to “make an inference about the wearer or the Ukrainian army” based on the patch.

    “The image, while offensive, is that of a musical band,” Hyman said.

    A band that happens to be very into Nazi shit.

    The band now uses the photograph posted by the Ukrainian military to market the Totenkopf patch.

    Curious.

    The Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact with Germany in 1939, so it was caught by surprise two years later when the Nazis invaded Ukraine, which was then part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine had suffered greatly under a Soviet government that engineered a famine that killed millions. Many Ukrainians initially viewed the Nazis as liberators.

    Factions from the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its insurgent army fought alongside the Nazis in what they viewed as a struggle for Ukrainian sovereignty. Members of those groups also took part in atrocities against Jewish and Polish civilians. Later in the war, though, some of the groups fought against the Nazis.

    Some Ukrainians joined Nazi military units such as the Waffen-SS Galizien. The emblem of the group, which was led by German officers, was a sky-blue patch showing a lion and three crowns. The unit took part in a massacre of hundreds of Polish civilians in 1944. In December, after a yearslong legal battle, Ukraine’s highest court ruled that a government-funded research institute could continue to list the unit’s insignia as excluded from the Nazi symbols banned under a 2015 law.

    Of course got to spin up that Nazi propaganda about Holo-dork-more as engineered terror famine. That shows how un-Nazi the whole situation is, right?

    • footfaults [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      The Anti-Defamation League considers the Totenkopf “a common hate symbol.” But Jake Hyman, a spokesperson for the group, said it was impossible to “make an inference about the wearer or the Ukrainian army” based on the patch.

      Obviously if a Palestinian was wearing a patch like this, the ADL would react the same, right?