Just recently watched 9/11 the new pearl harbor and a lot of the points were honestly pretty convincing.

Prior to the doc, I absolutely felt like 9/11 was just kind of a "chickens coming home to roost" type deal for the US with some likely saudi involvement and believed the U.S was aware it was probably going to happen (considering this is basically proven via legit documents) but did not put much effort in to stopping it as justification for imperialist war and whatnot. But i typically believed the rest of the "official" story with the building collapse and the hijackers. Now after seeing the doc I am honestly kind of convinced of much higher level involvement by some entity whatever it is.

For example, they do a pretty good job of pointing out how there should be doubt that the accused terrorists actually committed the attacks considering how there is no visual information anywhere of any of the hijackers being at the airport despite airport cameras basically capturing every person by at least one of the hundreds of cameras all throughout the building. What was really convincing though was when they pointed out all the hijackers were absolutely piss poor pilots with no relevant experience to fly commercial airliners. The "they just use autopilot" argument isnt valid either because the way the planes were flown required like extreme skill at the speeds they were going at to even hit the target. They especially talk about how the maneuver on the pentagon hit is like borderline impossible from the perspective of the many professional pilots who have raised this.

Genuinely kind of hard to believe there was not some type of planted explosives in the towers considering structural engineers state that no building of that caliber has ever been brought down simply by fires and how that is essentially structurally impossible. Also the way the building collapses in near free fall they similarly do a very decent job explaining how fishy that is if again the supports throughout the building were only weakened by fires. They even at one point bring up original architect's statement on the building (obviously way before 9/11 happened) where he specifically states the building could withstand commercial airliner collisions. This was an important thing to consider due to the height of the buildings and relative proximity to major airports.

The most unsettling part to me was when they talk about the phone calls and how some definitely came from cell phones but there would have been no way to make the cell calls from the plane considering the height and speed it would not have been able to connect long enough to any tower. I did find some of the details on this whole section kinda shaky so I don't really know what I believe here but if this is true it is pretty creepy to me cause then the question of where were the passengers that called located and what happened to them is kinda freaky. But again this part didn't seem as robustly discussed as others.

There were absolutely some things in the doc that I wasn't super convinced by like the plane swap stuff I'm not totally sure of in general. There is also a pretty silly moment where they try to say one of the callers from the plane says "It's a frame" before hanging up but like... it is a bit of stretch lmao.

But still was a pretty informative doc all things considered. It is a shame whenever stuff like this is talked about it is usually among whacked out right wingers cause there are absolutely a lot of valid questions.

Curious if you've seen it and what your thoughts on it were

Here is the whole documentary btw for people who want to watch it: https://old.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167 It's 3 parts and very long.

  • JisPichi [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    Regarding the physical stuff:

    ...structural engineers state that no building of that caliber has ever been brought down simply by fires...

    No building of that caliber has ever had a 767 fly through it. A significant number of structural members were severed by the impact, and multiple floors of open air paper-filled offices instantly ignited from the giant fuckoff jet-fuel fireball. It's very far from any typical fire or structural damage that a building will experience. Like, look at this, there's a Looney Tunes plane shaped hole cutting through half the columns on the side

    Also the way the building collapses in near free fall...

    Here's a screenshot I put arrows on from some youtube video. I don't have any numbers ready-to-go, but you can clearly see that the main collapse is propagating downward significantly below free fall speeds. That's not to say that it didn't collapse very quickly when compared to other building collapses, because it did, because the building was mostly empty space. Here's a picture from the 70s during construction, before all the floors were rented out and filled with office stuff. People describe the collapse all the time as floors "pancaking" into each other, but it really literally was designed as a stack of concrete rings held apart at the edges by steel toothpicks.

    They even at one point bring up original architect’s statement on the building (obviously way before 9/11 happened) where he specifically states the building could withstand commercial airliner collisions.

    The impact that the original architects were considering then was a 707 with relatively low fuel coming in at low speed for a landing at one of the nearby airports. The planes that hit the towers were 767s impacting with ~2x the mass, ~2x the speed, and much larger fuel tanks. DRASTICALLY more energy was transferred to the buildings than what the designers could have ever accounted for. Also, of COURSE they're going to say that the new state of the art design is totally unsinkab- I mean, uncollapsible.

    Now, I'm not going to claim with 100% certainty that it wasn't a controlled demolition. But. If the buildings WERE secretly rigged with explosives or whatever by the government then it was wasted time and effort, because the planes would have collapsed the towers regardless.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah I'm so tired of steel beams discourse. The building was built like an eggshell, and it got cracked. Practically all the support was on the outside, which is why the windows were skinny pieces of shit that people hated, and also why it fell in one coherent piece. And all the 9/11 truthers think metal performs well in fire conditions... lol no, it's worse than wood by a lot. They add wood to steel framed buildings for fire resistance. Fire completely fucks over steel. It doesn't need to MELT to become incredibly soft and pliable. We all know what a blacksmith is. We all know why they heat the metal up. So they can bend it extremely easily.