There aren't actually that many Teslas on the road. It's still mostly a speculative hype investment vehicle.
I don't have the data in front of me, but there's a good chance that a per capita comparison of Tesla and competing brands wouldn't bolster your point much, or even contradict it.
Yeah, that's the thing, I don't have the data either and neither does this article. Elon and Tesla can both get thrown into the blackest pits for all I care, but this headline is acting like I should be shocked at these numbers while giving 0 context for us to figure out what they mean.
Is this really because of the Tesla autopilot, or is it just another day of the car industry demanding its regularly scheduled human sacrifices? What is actually the problem here? I don't wanna blindly get mad at the wrong thing just because I don't like the guy behind it.
Janky "autopilot" aside, there is a documented history of shoddy manufacturing and if anything would be willfully ignoring material conditions, it would be that.
You don't need to convince me that Teslas suck. I'm willing to buy that Elon being a fraudster and Tesla being one entire grift are strong indicators that safety and reliability likely weren't great concerns when creating the autopilot.
My issue is how this is all being argued, because there should be proof readily available. We should have numbers on how many people are using the autopilot relative to how many people aren't, and we should be able to draw statistical conclusions from that. We shouldn't have to say "Tesla's manufacturing is bad so their autopilot is probably also bad", there should be more concrete evidence in this article of the autopilot sucking independently.
It's likely proof not being "readily available" is intentional at this point. After all, even with what I posted demonstrating laughably bad quality control regarding the supposedly prestigious magic cars, you're still assuming it can't be that bad as a default position.
No, my default assumption is that the Tesla autopilot probably sucks because everything Elon touches sucks. That was my initial assumption and is still my current assumption as well. But that's all it is right now, and this article doesn't confirm my assumption in a satisfactory way, that is my issue with it. I would like to read this article and go "Ha, I knew it!" but with what little conclusive evidence it provides, it would be disingenuous of me to do so.
It is worth noting that tesla was #1 at 736 crashes since 2019 and subaru was #2 with 23 in the same time period. To your overall point this is still fairly formless since we don't have information on how many cars were using selfdriving / who was at fault / total hours used or w/e, but it still seems indicative.
I do seriously believe there's at least some degree of media blackout regarding just how shoddy and shitty the products are of the most speculatively inflated car company in the world. It has a higher stock valuation than its four closest competitors combined and only a fraction of the actual output so far, so there's a lot of money riding on the bubble not popping.
Definitely possible, Tesla is well into "too big to fail" territory. Trust me that when the guy in the driver's seat tells me he's gonna activate the self-driving feature I'm jumping out of a moving Tesla :big-cool:
I think a lot of :stonks-up: situtations involve a behind the scenes fucked up farce of a pseudo-democracy where :porky-happy: with money in a bubble inflating further compete with :porky-happy: that have money in that bubble popping.
For the moment, :my-hero: 's balloon continues to float, though Twitter is a brick tied to it.
There aren't actually that many Teslas on the road. It's still mostly a speculative hype investment vehicle.
I don't have the data in front of me, but there's a good chance that a per capita comparison of Tesla and competing brands wouldn't bolster your point much, or even contradict it.
Yeah, that's the thing, I don't have the data either and neither does this article. Elon and Tesla can both get thrown into the blackest pits for all I care, but this headline is acting like I should be shocked at these numbers while giving 0 context for us to figure out what they mean.
Is this really because of the Tesla autopilot, or is it just another day of the car industry demanding its regularly scheduled human sacrifices? What is actually the problem here? I don't wanna blindly get mad at the wrong thing just because I don't like the guy behind it.
Janky "autopilot" aside, there is a documented history of shoddy manufacturing and if anything would be willfully ignoring material conditions, it would be that.
https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/tfpywm/dont_know_a_lot_about_welding_but_doesnt_look_good/
https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/11p38xe/8_of_tesla_semi_out_of_delivered_100_has_been/
https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/144iobo/a_leaked_tesla_report_shows_the_cybertruck_had/
https://old.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/10oylz5/steering_wheel_falls_off_brand_new_tesla_model_y/
https://www.fastcompany.com/90782332/teslas-shoddy-wheel-symbolizes-everything-wrong-with-the-company
https://insideevs.com/news/336046/tesla-model-3-weld-quality-questioned/
You don't need to convince me that Teslas suck. I'm willing to buy that Elon being a fraudster and Tesla being one entire grift are strong indicators that safety and reliability likely weren't great concerns when creating the autopilot.
My issue is how this is all being argued, because there should be proof readily available. We should have numbers on how many people are using the autopilot relative to how many people aren't, and we should be able to draw statistical conclusions from that. We shouldn't have to say "Tesla's manufacturing is bad so their autopilot is probably also bad", there should be more concrete evidence in this article of the autopilot sucking independently.
It's likely proof not being "readily available" is intentional at this point. After all, even with what I posted demonstrating laughably bad quality control regarding the supposedly prestigious magic cars, you're still assuming it can't be that bad as a default position.
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Dude, you came in here out of nowhere for unsolicited concern trolling. :what-the-hell:
You may have misread my tone; at least let the person I was replying to speak for themself.
No, my default assumption is that the Tesla autopilot probably sucks because everything Elon touches sucks. That was my initial assumption and is still my current assumption as well. But that's all it is right now, and this article doesn't confirm my assumption in a satisfactory way, that is my issue with it. I would like to read this article and go "Ha, I knew it!" but with what little conclusive evidence it provides, it would be disingenuous of me to do so.
It is worth noting that tesla was #1 at 736 crashes since 2019 and subaru was #2 with 23 in the same time period. To your overall point this is still fairly formless since we don't have information on how many cars were using selfdriving / who was at fault / total hours used or w/e, but it still seems indicative.
I do seriously believe there's at least some degree of media blackout regarding just how shoddy and shitty the products are of the most speculatively inflated car company in the world. It has a higher stock valuation than its four closest competitors combined and only a fraction of the actual output so far, so there's a lot of money riding on the bubble not popping.
Definitely possible, Tesla is well into "too big to fail" territory. Trust me that when the guy in the driver's seat tells me he's gonna activate the self-driving feature I'm jumping out of a moving Tesla :big-cool:
I think a lot of :stonks-up: situtations involve a behind the scenes fucked up farce of a pseudo-democracy where :porky-happy: with money in a bubble inflating further compete with :porky-happy: that have money in that bubble popping.
For the moment, :my-hero: 's balloon continues to float, though Twitter is a brick tied to it.
That's a fair take.