Every time we chat, and the discussion turns towards capitalism, she’s the one who without any hesitation just says we should kill them all. Now, though, it’s gone further to torture. And she names names. In addition to people like Bezos and Musk, she includes Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate and others.

I say we should force them to work and maybe learn the error of their ways (After the revolution of course. During it many of these fucks will die and I’ll be glad).

Her current jobs is extremely horrible. She’s being massively overworked, verbally abused and, of course, underpaid. So I get her frustration. But it’s also scary. I don’t want her to get in any trouble.

I don’t know if I should be gently turning her away from imagining a slow and painful torture of capitalists or not. Am I being a lib or is she too extreme?

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I agree with your general points although I think there's a big difference between counterinsurgency waged by a foreign colonizing force and counterinsurgency waged by a domestic security apparatus. In a domestic context, you are far more likely to get willing collaborators and snitches, and the pigs are actually motivated to enact their particular brand of terror for the sake of upholding the status quo where they get paid +$150k/yr shoving donuts in their faces. Political prisoners like imprisoned Black Panthers are undergoing torture, whether through beatings, being intentionally infected with Covid, or solitary confinement. The pigs obviously aren't torturing them to extract information especially since the BPP is defunct anyways.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      But the reverse is also true - In domestic situation the brutality of COIN will radicalize people when they see their own countrymen murdering their neighbors. I'm doxing myself, but I was real close to the place where George Floyd was murdered in 2020. The police terrorized the neighborhood for months afterwards. Parking helicopters low over houses all night. Running convoys of twenty cop cars with their sirens blaring through the neighborhood at 45mph in the middle of the night. They refused to come to any calls at all for months, and when they did come in to snatch someone they came in 40 deep with machine guns. Just months and months of terrorism and violence, right out in the open, mask fully off.

      And when the referendum to dismantle the police department and build a new progressive lib whatever the fuck public safety organization forty six percent of the city voted yea. Minneapolis is super white. The Minnesotans are very racist in their superficially nice and polite way. The neighborhoods that the cops were terrorizing had large minority populations. And still 46 out of every 100 people who bothered to vote said shut the whole thing down and start over. The cops are hemorrhaging goons. People hate the MPD so much no one wants to join and they're down hundreds of officers last I checked with no way to replace them. It's putting enormous stress on the remaining pigs and forcing them to curtail their operations. The city wants to re-build the third precinct and that whole area of the city is coming together to say fuck no.

      They murdered one innocent man and it sparked a global uprising of historic proportions.

      Another thing to keep in mind - Foreign occupiers have one enormous advantage - They're not local. They're not being asked to suppress their own neighbors. They don't live in the community. They all hide in fortified military bases and only go out in heavily armed convoys. In a domestic situation, especially in the US, the security forces have huge disadvantages. They have homes in the community. People know their faces and names. People know where they live. Maybe the government can move all the cops and all the national guard and all the army and all the reservists and all of their millions of family members on to bases or something, but I don't think so. And they'll have to leave their homes behind, and most of their possession, and they won't like that. They're vulnerable. In an occupation you can't strike at the occupiers home turf. But if there's in insurgency in America there are going to be insurgents who live next door to the cops. They'll get doxxed and have their addresses and faces posted up. It'll be very, very dangerous for them to let things get to a point where people start to retaliate.

      Minneapolis cops have said in interviews that they're afraid to live in the city because people will recognize them. It's one of the key reasons most cops live out in the burbs in a different city than the once they occupy. They don't want to be anywhere near the people they're oppressing.

      Like there's a good chance you're right, they'll have tons of snitches and collaborators, any uprising will be dismantled. But on the other hand the contradictions are heightening, people are getting hungry and desperate, the cops are losing their veneer of legitimacy, the government is increasingly paralyzed, and there are a lot of guns in this country. We have to consider that side, too. Like I don't know what it was like in other places, but in Minneapolis everyone was strapped. I have never seen so many civilians with guns in one place before. That's not like previous protests or occupy camps. I've never seen it before. There was something different this time. People felt they needed to be strapped, they felt that a gun fight with cops or Nazis could happen at any time.

      Idk, we're always on the cusp of those "Weeks where decades happens" days right now.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I'm not from Minneapolis, so I'll take your word about what's happening on the ground. I'll have to mull over what you've said.