First off, I’m truly asking this in good faith, please be nice but correct me too on anything I saw that’s stupid.
As an anarchism, my ideal solution for Palestine is a no-state solution where people are allowed to move freely, interact freely, and work being done on both sides to heal from the decades of conflict and live in one society.
Now you folks (I love you folks) aren’t all anarchists and I’d love to hear your thoughts. Sometimes I’ll see people saying that all Israelis should just move somewhere else, but I think that’s really dumb. Both sides seem to be operating on the assumption that the other group will leave, which in my opinion is just as racist thinking as saying all the Palestinians should just leave.
So what are the tankie’s (/j) thoughts.
I don't necessarily agree with the stance that every Israeli must leave the country, but that stance is not inherently racist.
The state of Israel is a settler colony that has stolen land from it's native inhabitants, murdered and displaced those inhabitants, and forced them into apartheid. To believe that the people that have committed these atrocities should leave is an opinion not rooted in race.
Not to sound like a chud, but isn’t this true of every setter colonial state? Should the same happen for North America, Australia, Siberia, and all the others. Again, I’m really not trying to do a “gatcha”, I’m just wanting to discuss.
I think there's a meaningful difference in that the colonization of Palestine is so recent. All the examples you give are from over a hundred to several hundred years ago, and so much time has passed that addressing the damage becomes more complex. Living Palestinians have been kicked out of their homes by colonizers and could be returned to them, whereas the brunt of land and property theft against Native Americans for example was already done by the start of the 20th century. That doesn't mean it's not worth addressing or impossible to address, just that it'd look different.
Yeah it’s worth thinking about asking that same question about British North American colonies not in 2024 but in 1682. The answer is much more easily understood as oh wait yes they should leave now
Yeah true enough.
Like I said, I don't hold the stance myself, I was just pointing out that its not necessarily a race thing. I think having these stances is a lot more realistic for a smaller, more recently established nation such as Israel, in contrast to the Americas.
Personally I think, as people have said, a multi-ethnic single state with laws, regulations, and trials with real consequences in place to prevent this kind of thing from happening ever again is ideal. Call it Palestine.
Yes, unironically. As much as I recognize it's not realistic/possible, I do not recognize the settlers-- or the sons and daughters of settlers, for that matter-- to have any justifiable claim to either a state or governance over such, ESPECIALLY not with the kinds of things Amerikans did, have done, and will do to maintain said governance. Given my druthers, I'd ship 'em all back to wherever in the European Union they're most likely to claim and let them sort it all out.
Eh… I mean yes, I get where you’re coming from but personally I just don’t agree with forced movement. My family is OG settler colonialists, been here since the 1600s, and I agree that serious reparations should be paid to native peoples (including minimum representation in government and complete land back) I seriously wouldn’t want to be forced to move to Europe.
If we offered clemency to every son and daughter of settlers that still exists on this landmass, we'd literally never achieve the aims of decolonization because there will always be some settler's larvae wriggling into and wrecking the process. Somebody's gonna have to bite a bullet here, and it ain't gonna be us.
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moneytime in the posting machine, and it spits outtokensresponses to your posts that are sometimes repetitive and not quite the exact one you're looking for, so it reinforces a strong behavior pattern... fun game!There is also an active settler movement in the West Bank, in the process of commuting violence against Palestinians with the express purpose of occupying their homes and land.