I agree with all of this, with the important distinction that there seems to be a degree of evangelism to his position. It's one thing to develop your own coping mechanisms related to existential anxiety, but another thing entirely to imply that such existential anxiety is rationally motivated and should be shared, which I think is being done specifically here
They argue that realizing and admitting how completely and utterly fucked we all are is actually anti-leftist, it is defeatist. I disagree, and I think it's a poor argument, because it dismisses rightful worries held by a lot of people. It also strikes me as unscientific
The fact that they're copying and pasting these bits of a little a manifesto in multiple climate change posts doesn't do much to dispel that notion for me.
So to sum up, I'm glad that they've developed an attitude of perseverance and struggle against the forces making our wold a worst place, I don't appreciate the implication that leftists should under-go some doomerist dark enlightenment to get there, as not everyone will come out the other side.
I have to agree with him. The person you are replying to is doing the absolute most to try and control their narrative about what you (and what they) are saying instead of having any meaningful conversation with you. The best thing to do would have been to stop replying 5 posts ago, and the next best thing is just to stop doing it now.
They routinely are trying to own you about your PhD or whatever, since they are trying to frame you as talking down to them and lording over them with your degree (which I've not seen you do, you've simply used it to try and give yourself some credibility above "random schmuck posting on hexbear") and to be fair, you are attempting to educate them about it by trying to get them to see that extrapolating general trends is not a coherent way of examining these studies, but they are not receptive to the education you're trying to provide, so it's not worth the effort.
FWIW I also have an advanced education and work in a field so closely related to climate change, atmospheric dynamics, and so much of my recent funding and research is looking into climate change and working with climate scientists, that I can effectively just say that I do climate science. You are not wrong.
The reason we have close to 0 idea how its going to effect the actual material lives of people in Pittsborough, MS is because we have virtually 0 funding going to that, and virtually 0 of our collaboration is working with Sociologists or other people who are capable of examining that. ALL of our money is coming from people who want to know where they will be able to put their bunkers to be maximally safe. That's just the truth.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious to me at this point they want to have it both ways where they can engage in these sorts of lurid death fantasies but also retreat to much more defensible ground of scientific predictions when this sort of doomporn fanfic stuff gets called out as unhelpful. It sorta reminds me of this same phenomena that was noted to play out with COVID
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I agree with all of this, with the important distinction that there seems to be a degree of evangelism to his position. It's one thing to develop your own coping mechanisms related to existential anxiety, but another thing entirely to imply that such existential anxiety is rationally motivated and should be shared, which I think is being done specifically here
The fact that they're copying and pasting these bits of a little a manifesto in multiple climate change posts doesn't do much to dispel that notion for me.
So to sum up, I'm glad that they've developed an attitude of perseverance and struggle against the forces making our wold a worst place, I don't appreciate the implication that leftists should under-go some doomerist dark enlightenment to get there, as not everyone will come out the other side.
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I have to agree with him. The person you are replying to is doing the absolute most to try and control their narrative about what you (and what they) are saying instead of having any meaningful conversation with you. The best thing to do would have been to stop replying 5 posts ago, and the next best thing is just to stop doing it now.
They routinely are trying to own you about your PhD or whatever, since they are trying to frame you as talking down to them and lording over them with your degree (which I've not seen you do, you've simply used it to try and give yourself some credibility above "random schmuck posting on hexbear") and to be fair, you are attempting to educate them about it by trying to get them to see that extrapolating general trends is not a coherent way of examining these studies, but they are not receptive to the education you're trying to provide, so it's not worth the effort.
FWIW I also have an advanced education and work in a field so closely related to climate change, atmospheric dynamics, and so much of my recent funding and research is looking into climate change and working with climate scientists, that I can effectively just say that I do climate science. You are not wrong.
The reason we have close to 0 idea how its going to effect the actual material lives of people in Pittsborough, MS is because we have virtually 0 funding going to that, and virtually 0 of our collaboration is working with Sociologists or other people who are capable of examining that. ALL of our money is coming from people who want to know where they will be able to put their bunkers to be maximally safe. That's just the truth.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious to me at this point they want to have it both ways where they can engage in these sorts of lurid death fantasies but also retreat to much more defensible ground of scientific predictions when this sort of doomporn fanfic stuff gets called out as unhelpful. It sorta reminds me of this same phenomena that was noted to play out with COVID
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